Do you often use JAZZ STYLE? I personally think that this JAZZ style is very much in BB, but I rarely use it. Jazz style is also difficult for him to integrate into other types of music. I mainly use POP music style feel.
Mostly I use Jazz styles. Without them, I would probably not be using BiaB at all.
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I use mostly jazz styles when I use styles. Sometimes I just choose individual RealTracks and make my own sound (which can be saved as a style).
BIAB started as a program to play jazz fake books, but over the last two decades I think they have made a terrific effort to balance the RealTracks and styles they add. For every time I read there is too much jazz, someone says there is too much country or too much rock guitar etc.
If you want to make suggestions for new sounds, just go to the Styles and RealTracks Wishlist Forum. For best results, give them a song link so they know what the sound is.
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Look at JJazzLab it was made by Jazz guys same as Biab but they both have other styles, it's not ALL Jazz. I like all the genres Biab has I just move in a different way to them
Jazz styles are really fun to play with! Music classes in school usually start with a focus on jazz or classical, and ours was the former many moons ago when I was in school still. I also like using the various rock styles!
Jazz styles are really fun to play with! Music classes in school usually start with a focus on jazz or classical, and ours was the former many moons ago when I was in school still. I also like using the various rock styles!
Maybe I don't listen to jazz very much I always think Jazz feels the same
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Maybe I don't listen to jazz very much I always think Jazz feels the same
I fully acknowledge the grin.
You may listen to more than you think. There are all kinds of jazz and fusion styles around. Some people say they hate jazz, but they think "trad jazz" is all there is, or "cool jazz".
The fact that you're experimenting with BiaB, suggests your mind is likely receptive to other music styles.
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Maybe I don't listen to jazz very much I always think Jazz feels the same
I fully acknowledge the grin.
You may listen to more than you think. There are all kinds of jazz and fusion styles around. Some people say they hate jazz, but they think "trad jazz" is all there is, or "cool jazz".
The fact that you're experimenting with BiaB, suggests your mind is likely receptive to other music styles.
I personally like these music very much. Good to hear.
However, if these songs are very different from many popular songs now.
Please note. I don't hate JAZZ music, I also like it very much, but I think it's almost the same. In fact, I prefer modern songs full of personality.
Now young people may prefer cooler music. Cool music, I don’t know if you can understand what I mean. Modern songs sound more vibrant. Happier, more suitable for dancing, more suitable for shooting short videos, more in line with modern trends.
The following songs are loved by young people all over the world:
There are many examples of similar songs. These are the music that young people all over the world like now. In the car, in the shopping mall, any place is often heard. Cheerful! hapiness! modern!
However, when opening BIAB, you can clearly feel that BIAB's STYLE is mostly different from these. Maybe this is the style of BIAB? BIAB just likes to produce more JAZZ? This is suitable for more people to practice songs? I don't know this, because the future direction is completely in the hands of the BIAB team.
These are the music that young people all over the world like now. In the car, in the shopping mall, any place is often heard. Cheerful! hapiness! modern! However, when opening BIAB, you can clearly feel that BIAB's STYLE is mostly different from these. Maybe this is the style of BIAB? BIAB just likes to produce more JAZZ? This is suitable for more people to practice songs?
Please understand that for many old people all over the world, music serves to help us come to terms with our impending deaths. We also find old-fashioned JAZZ music useful in stimulating digestion and promoting regularity.
These are the music that young people all over the world like now. In the car, in the shopping mall, any place is often heard. Cheerful! hapiness! modern! However, when opening BIAB, you can clearly feel that BIAB's STYLE is mostly different from these. Maybe this is the style of BIAB? BIAB just likes to produce more JAZZ? This is suitable for more people to practice songs?
Please understand that for many old people all over the world, music serves to help us come to terms with our impending deaths. We also find old-fashioned JAZZ music useful in stimulating digestion and promoting regularity.
This is a very good thing. Everyone will get old, and I will get old slowly in the future.
But my mom and dad are 70 years old and they also like this kind of music. Not only do I like to listen, but I also dance with him, although we don't understand what he is singing, even I am Asian.
I suddenly had an idea. Is there a few more versions of BIAB?
BIAB senior version for old people
BIAB pop Version for Young People
I made a joke, any form of music is the best gift of life.
there are a couple of factors that shaped modern pop of these days, in particular:
If you want to remember something new, you need a structure in which you can integrate that new thing (synapses). The more different synapses you already have for a specific topic, the easier you can remember new things of that topic. The average listener / the mass has built up a relatively low number of music-related synapses. Therefore the mass needs simple melodies and simple progressions to be able to adopt a song (this has almost always been the case, so this first factor is not very specific for nowadays). Only if the mass adopts a song, it becomes POPular => Pop
Within the last two decades, it became more and more difficult to find melodies that don't violate any copyright. So the music producers even more resign from distinctive melodies.
The internet made it easier to rip a high number of songs, so that more and more people refused to pay money for songs.
Digital music software with all those ready-to-use-loops made it easier for people with a low knowledge of music theory to produce songs, and social networks made it easier to distribute them. So from that side, the market has been flooded for a while, so that many people from the mass have built up synapses for that stuff, which was mostly made upon a low overall number of quite simple progressions.
Streaming platforms then made almost every professionally produced song cheap and very easily available, so that radio and TV don't generate a commonly shared knowledge of music anymore. And with tools like Spotify's Release Radar, people don't get out of their own music-clouds anymore. The lowest common denominator for a song to reach into the majority of these clouds is ... a low number of quite simple progressions.
This all more and more merged together then. So now, many professional music producers say to themselves: "Why making at least medium creative songs, if that takes quite long to do, enhances the risk for very expensive copyright lawsuits and will currently not be adopted by the mass as much as simpler songs - and that all while the mass would even prefer to do illegal things than to pay the small amount of one appropriate dollar per song?"
Even artists who perform relatively simple music, often don't listen to that genre privately. That counts not only for Pop Music, but e.g. also for some Rock musicians or some Country musicians.
Many people's usage of vocabulary like "Cool" derives more from what a person grew up with than from some objective criteria. And "Modern" is often not more than what the mass adopts currently, but doesn't automatically stand for a high degree of creativeness.
I agree on one thing: If PG wants more customers, it should get better known among younger people. That includes more styles etc. which the kids are used to (many of them? - well, at least superficially, since there are not sooo many essential differences between those songs, as explained above). But it also includes a couple of other critical aspects.
Last edited by MoveToGroove; 10/09/2111:21 PM.
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there are a couple of factors that shaped modern pop of these days, in particular:
If you want to remember something new, you need a structure in which you can integrate that new thing (synapses). The more different synapses you already have for a specific topic, the easier you can remember new things of that topic. The average listener / the mass has built up a relatively low number of music-related synapses. Therefore the mass needs simple melodies and simple progressions to be able to adopt a song (this has almost always been the case, so this first factor is not very specific for nowadays). Only if the mass adopts a song, it becomes POPular => Pop
Within the last two decades, it became more and more difficult to find melodies that don't violate any copyright. So the music producers even more resign from distinctive melodies.
The internet made it easier to rip a high number of songs, so that more and more people refused to pay money for songs.
Digital music software with all those ready-to-use-loops made it easier for people with a low knowledge of music theory to produce songs, and social networks made it easier to distribute them. So from that side, the market has been flooded for a while, so that many people from the mass have built up synapses for that stuff, which was mostly made upon a low overall number of quite simple progressions.
Streaming platforms then made almost every professionally produced song cheap and very easily available, so that radio and TV don't generate a commonly shared knowledge of music anymore. And with tools like Spotify's Release Radar, people don't get out of their own music-clouds anymore. The lowest common denominator for a song to reach into the majority of these clouds is ... a low number of quite simple progressions.
This all more and more merged together then. So now, many professional music producers say to themselves: "Why making at least medium creative songs, if that takes quite long to do, enhances the risk for very expensive copyright lawsuits and will currently not be adopted by the mass as much as simpler songs - and that all while the mass would even prefer to do illegal things than to pay the small amount of one appropriate dollar per song?"
Even artists who perform relatively simple music, often don't listen to that genre privately. That counts not only for Pop Music, but e.g. also for some Rock musicians or some Country musicians.
Many people's usage of vocabulary like "Cool" derives more from what a person grew up with than from some objective criteria. And "Modern" is often not more than what the mass adopts currently, but doesn't automatically stand for a high degree of creativeness.
I agree on one thing: If PG wants more customers, it should get better known among younger people. That includes more styles etc. which the kids are used to (many of them? - well, at least superficially, since there are not sooo many essential differences between those songs, as explained above). But it also includes a couple of other critical aspects.
In fact, I really like the reggae style music in BIAB. But the drums in BIAB are not very good.
I replaced it with a more modern drum, which immediately felt modern.
That kind of Latin music is my favorite. They have many elements. It feels like dancing.
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I replaced it with a more modern drum, which immediately felt modern.
... Which you are, of course, at liberty to do and many people here will likely do similar. The older people are likely to go for more natural sounding drums.
A large part of the reason for BiaB is to allow musicians to use a computer to substitute for other musicians they don't have right now. There seem little point in using software like that and then replace the more natural sounds with the ones we can find in loops or drum machines or synthesizers everywhere.
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I replaced it with a more modern drum, which immediately felt modern.
... Which you are, of course, at liberty to do and many people here will likely do similar. The older people are likely to go for more natural sounding drums.
A large part of the reason for BiaB is to allow musicians to use a computer to substitute for other musicians they don't have right now. There seem little point in using software like that and then replace the more natural sounds with the ones we can find in loops or drum machines or synthesizers everywhere.
Gordon Scott:
A friend told me that it's not the drum, it's different music. My favorite drum actually belongs to reggaeton music The drums in BIAB are real Reggae drums They are very similar, but they are also different. Like you said, reggae is more natural Reggaeton is harder and more modern At present, many popular songs use reggaeton's drums I hope BIAB will add some reggaeton drums in the future
Sounds Like you only wanted to hear the drums - you could hardly hear the melody and other accompaniment in your 2nd version. Why not try a mix where both drums are at the hearable volume.
Sounds Like you only wanted to hear the drums - you could hardly hear the melody and other accompaniment in your 2nd version. Why not try a mix where both drums are at the hearable volume.
Keith
Yes, it was a little like: "Replace Everything Else with Drums" I liked it musically - including the percussion, but the levels needed a little work.
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Sounds Like you only wanted to hear the drums - you could hardly hear the melody and other accompaniment in your 2nd version. Why not try a mix where both drums are at the hearable volume.
Keith
well. I'll try. The volume of the instrument is not adjusted I believe the effect will be better after mixing. I keep trying
However, if these songs are very different from many popular songs now.
Please note. I don't hate JAZZ music, I also like it very much, but I think it's almost the same. In fact, I prefer modern songs full of personality.
Music evolves pretty continuously, though to be honest, I think most popular music is stuck at the moment. Same tempo, same drums, same synths, similar chord progression, same compression, so often aggressive auto-tune. I like a fair bit of modern pop music, but only in small amounts at any time, or I get bored. Far too many songs comprise what I describe as "shrill girls yodeling". Personally I find Country music too "samey", but there are many others who love it and struggle to see why I feel as I do. Again, I do like some Country music, just not too much of it. That wouldn't stop me using a country realtrack in a jazz composition.
I hadn't intended to suggest that you hated jazz. What I'd intended to mean was that sometimes, some people who think they don't like jazz, have a narrower than fair idea of what jazz is or can be.
For me, this video by the very outspoken Rick Beato is quite telling, and it covers only chords in modern music: https://youtu.be/nuGt-ZG39cU
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However, if these songs are very different from many popular songs now.
Please note. I don't hate JAZZ music, I also like it very much, but I think it's almost the same. In fact, I prefer modern songs full of personality.
Music evolves pretty continuously, though to be honest, I think most popular music is stuck at the moment. Same tempo, same drums, same synths, similar chord progression, same compression, so often aggressive auto-tune. I like a fair bit of modern pop music, but only in small amounts at any time, or I get bored. Far too many songs comprise what I describe as "shrill girls yodeling". Personally I find Country music too "samey", but there are many others who love it and struggle to see why I feel as I do. Again, I do like some Country music, just not too much of it. That wouldn't stop me using a country realtrack in a jazz composition.
I hadn't intended to suggest that you hated jazz. What I'd intended to mean was that sometimes, some people who think they don't like jazz, have a narrower than fair idea of what jazz is or can be.
For me, this video by the very outspoken Rick Beato is quite telling, and it covers only chords in modern music: https://youtu.be/nuGt-ZG39cU
Yes. totally agree. My knowledge of JAZZ music is very superficial. I don’t know how to distinguish it. Anyway, when I hear the taste, I know it’s JAZZ.
I don't have time to study JAZZ.
In fact, I think music is a complex. I may place more emphasis on lyrics and singing.
As for whether it is four chords or two chords, I don't really care.
When I saw a scene or an event, I wanted to record it through music. I found four chords. I thought of the humming melody. It was OK, and I was done.
Why don't I just write text with pictures or take a video to record. Because I think music is more conducive to spreading, and singing it will enhance memory.
So, when it comes to music arrangement, this is not my strong point, and I don't have the energy to learn, I think it's almost enough. Currently, in my situation, Band in a box is my perfect companion
My knowledge of JAZZ music is very superficial. I don’t know how to distinguish it. Anyway, when I hear the taste, I know it’s JAZZ.
I don't have time to study JAZZ.
I think most of us can relate to that, though one thing I've learned over many years is that I've been listening to jazz since the 70s, but didn't then realise that it was jazz. In the 60s and 70s, "jazz" by that name largely disappeared from the music scene, to be replaced by R&B and Progressive Rock, but when you look closer at those, quite a few were heavily jazz influenced ... that's where lots of jazz musicians went to earn money.
Back then I thought I didn't like jazz. But actually I was listening to jazz in the forms of progressive rock. I was a huge King Crimson fan, but it was years before I realised just how much they were jazz driven. By the 80s, jazz-funk and jazz fusions were appearing everywhere. Now I'm influenced more by African and Latin and their fusions.
Jazz largely grew out of The Blues in America, but it crossed the Atlantic, toured Europe, picked up quite a bit of Kletzmer. then went back to the US. It's been touring the world ever since.
Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
In fact, I think music is a complex.
Music ranges from drone, though plainsong and Gregorian chant, to folk and blues to classical to Schoenberg and beyond. It's what you want it to be.
There's an expression that applies in lots of places, though is probably best known from aircraft testing: "pushing the envelope". It means reaching into the corners of what's expected. In a musical context, it's trying to find the unexpected. Perhaps a dissonance or "edge" that triggers an emotional response, perhaps an unusual rhythm.
Quite a lot of the "clever" stuff in jazz was found simply by people pushing for a little more tension, or indeed just playing a wrong note and thinking "wow, that sounded good". People play ahead of the beat to add a little "drive", or play a little behind the beat to make a more laid-back sound.
So I would say, be comfortable with what you do, but also embrace that envelope. Maybe allow the timing to be flexible, try the odd 7, 9, 11 or 13 or 6/9 chord and see what sounds you get. Try them flatted or sharpened. If you like the effect, keep it, if you don't, then remove it or change to another. You may find you get more "zing" in what you produce.
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Music evolves pretty continuously, though to be honest, I think most popular music is stuck at the moment. Same tempo, same drums, same synths, similar chord progression, same compression, so often aggressive auto-tune.
Gordon,
true, Autotune is also one of those factors. The simpler the music is that sells quite well, the less skills the artists need to have. Unfortunately, all these extreme simplifications in pop music even force highly-skilled musicians to hold back their abilities. Great singers use Autotune, just to match what the mass is currently used to; and talented composers mainly try to figure out how much complexity the mass might just accept, instead of regularly showing what they really have to offer. Best examples are Lady Gaga (fabulous with Tony Bennett) and Charlie Puth (brilliant with Jacob Collier):
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true, Autotune is also one of those factors. The simpler the music is that sells quite well, the less skills the artists need to have. Unfortunately, all these extreme simplifications in pop music even force highly-skilled musicians to hold back their abilities. Great singers use Autotune, just to match what the mass is currently used to; and talented composers mainly try to figure out how much complexity the mass might just accept, instead of regularly showing what they really have to offer. Best examples are Lady Gaga (fabulous with Tony Bennett) and Charlie Puth (brilliant with Jacob Collier):
For sure, though my particular issue was with the aggressive auto-tune so often used. It was clever when Cher used it all those years ago, though personally I didn't like it then -- much less now that it's so universal.
Modest/subtle use of auto-tune is much less conspicuous and, if nothing else, helps to avoid countless takes and/or punch-ins.
Lady Gaga demonstrates very well that modern music can be special, though that particular song, of course, is a Cole Porter number from 1936.
I've have been a little harsh on modern music, too, because I think it actually is already coming out of that "stuck".
I think one of the other factors that have made so much music in the recent past so bland is the universal use of a video to go with it. Something to look at whilst listening means that the music can be less challenging.
The Puth/Collier link was interesting, partly as they're more adventurous and partly because they also think that modern music is already starting to collect forgotten influences, adapt and interpret them, and move on. These are two very talented young men! I note that they use modest-ish auto-tune.
I've seen so many answers to "how do you produce a song" that start with "well, first I lay down a kick track". And it's quantised, and it's compressed to death, and it's relentless.
I look forward to the time when new music again excites me. It's gradually getting there.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 10/12/2103:55 AM.
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