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#676908 - 10/08/21 01:25 PM [Songwriting] Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks
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Hello all, I have BB2021. On some acoustic guitar tracks, the guitar has squeaks throughout the track. Although it was probably done to sound natural, it drives me crazy trying to use this track on a song. Also, it seems the guitar will play some strange lick that I have to remove from the recording.

I was hoping the PG developers would consider this for future releases. I have tried regenerating the track, using the simple arrangement, etc., and it does not fix the track completely.

The track I'm working with now uses _LONESON.sty. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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#676911 - 10/08/21 01:43 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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I don't have that style so I can't try these suggestions, but I have eliminated noise and/or artifacts using the polyphonic version of Melodyne.
1-Carefully EQ this guitar track. This is not the optimum way but it might help.
2-If you have the polyphonic version of Melodyne you can eliminate said fret noise.


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#676915 - 10/08/21 01:55 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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This is another free dynamic EQ recommended by others on the site. I have used it and it is cool.

I have used it to successfully reduce 60 cycle hum to an almost inaudible level.


https://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-nova/

The "Q" setting on this will allow you to focus in on a very narrow frequency.

Try to find the frequency where it is squeaking and see if you can squash it out.

If you can, share you settings and let the rest of us know!

Otherwise, you may have to go into audacity and do a lot of time consuming squeak removal, if you don't use Mario's tricks.
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#677005 - 10/09/21 02:06 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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Hi, I’m gonna get some real complaints here. I’m lucky I have Reaper but a number of DAWs do it.

To reduce (or even eliminate) squeaks I use Spectral Editing. When Spectral Editing one can simply see the noise select the area and reduce its level. One can eliminate the squeak without greatly affecting the overall EQ of the note.

See. https://youtu.be/vSBO_VC9q3E

Go for the discussion folks. Some hate it some find it a great tool.

Tony


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#677031 - 10/09/21 07:55 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Teunis]
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I love Reaper also, if only for ReaTune. Use it all the time!!

If something works for a specific reason, why bash it??

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I use all kinds of stuff. I thought everyone did!
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#677057 - 10/09/21 11:26 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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So, I have an easy solution that brings this under control pretty fast.

I will be using this all the time now on some of those old "Celtic" guitar tracks. Talk about squeaks!!

I learned this on youtube.

What you do is use a de-esser and the Izotope RX "de-clicker." I think I got that program for 9.99 or maybe free.

Anyway, it seems those squeaks are in a "male" de-esser range and I fiddled with both of these until I found settings that make it quite bearable with destroying the sound quality or naturalness.

I am all set now and I am glad someone forced me to figure this out.

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#677058 - 10/09/21 11:32 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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The "squeaky" guitar appears to be RealTrack # 2914 - Guitar, Acoustic Fingerpicking Folky 16ths Brent Ev16 085 [Brent Mason]


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#677060 - 10/09/21 11:38 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Oh there is more than that my friend.

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#677080 - 10/09/21 02:28 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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David, have a look at the Kenny Gioia video on Spectral Editing that I pointed to above. Trust me it is the quickest, easiest and most efficient ways to get shy of a lot of unwanted noise.

Even using the Spectral View can show one the bad areas (once a little experience is gained). The Spectral View can even show one the effect on a signal such as de-essing.

Just a thought,

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#677082 - 10/09/21 02:42 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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This all makes me want to take the track in question and create a UserTrack from it consisting of nothing but finger squeaks.

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#677083 - 10/09/21 02:54 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Teunis]
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Tony,

I looked at it. Thanks!

I don't have nearly that much patience.

Using the plugins I showed I can get it to a manageable level. In another lifetime, I will have that sort of patience if I am lucky.

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#677086 - 10/09/21 03:27 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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The spectral editor in Reaper is basically a version of Spectro. You can download an fully-functional evaluation copy of Spectro and check it out.

But Spectro costs $50 and Reaper is $60, you could just as simply just buy Reaper (and learn how to use a new DAW).
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#677113 - 10/09/21 06:08 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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It's not free, but if you want to do the job very quickly (like in a matter of seconds), the Izotope RX8 Standard bundle has a tool called "Guitar De-noise"

https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rx/features/guitar-de-noise.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAfjGRxHKrY

at 54 mins 30 secs
https://youtu.be/Fo7zmVLGVFg?t=3270


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#677157 - 10/10/21 01:06 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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Tony's suggestions re Reaper are spot on. Kenny also does a GREAT video about creating a de-esser in Reaper that can easily be tweaked to removed string squeaks etc. It's a matter, as in all De-esers and dynamic EQs, of finding the offending frequency and then allowing the compressor of EQ to suppress/reduce the problem.
I'd be inclined, personally, to use the Spectral image in Reaper and manually reduce the problem with automation of the Pre FX Volume automation line. It will take a little time but the results will be better.
Sibilant sounds and strings squeaks drive me to distraction so I deal with these things as a matter of course and self preservation.
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#677176 - 10/10/21 05:14 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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The real advantage of using Spectral Editing over a de-esser is you can chop out the offending squeak, pop or whatever without affecting other parts of the signal. It is also possible to knock out very low frequencies if that is what is require.

IZotope RX8 will also do this but I’ve found it far easier just to use Reaper’s Spectral Edit as it is just a part of the track editing process. Once you do it a few times it becomes quite simple to go to the Spectral View on a track and actually see the offending noise. From there it is easy to reduce the level of the offending part (or eliminate it). Sometimes a reduction sounds more natural.

Try new stuff it is fun.

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#677187 - 10/10/21 06:54 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Teunis]
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Tony,

Ok I will try!! Just for you.

But...will it takes more than three seconds??

Because that is when my attention span begins to wane....

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#677247 - 10/10/21 03:25 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: David Snyder]
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Oh there is more than that my friend.

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For sure but RealTrack 2914 is the only acoustic guitar RealTrack used in the _LONESON style user Robert Stevens mentioned in the initial post.

Musicians use to use guitar grease on their fingertips or flat wound strings to minimize squeaks. Now, virtual instruments have a knob to "dial in" how much squeaks you want.
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#677284 - 10/10/21 06:50 PM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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So I started playing at 11.

I don't get too many squeaks because I release the pressure for a millisecond, lift and shift and then press back down when I have landed.

It is kinda tricky but if you learn how to do it it solves a lot of problems.

No vaseline required.

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Same idea here:

https://www.classicalguitarcorner.com/l305-finger-noise-on-the-classical-guitar/
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#677308 - 10/11/21 04:51 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Robert Stephens]
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This type of fix can also be done in BIAB using BIAB tools. No external software program used.

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I loaded the _LONESON.STY Demo and located a bar with a guitar fret squeak. I removed the squeak in BIAB from the Audio Editor window.

I've attached a short MP3 file of three bars from the demo and a screenshot of the two Waveforms of the original unedited audio and the second clip of the repaired audio. You clearly hear the squeak in the first audio clip. The second audio clip repeats the three bars after I repaired the offending bar and the squeak has been eliminated.


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#677335 - 10/11/21 08:25 AM [Songwriting] Re: Acoustic guitar squeaks and odd licks [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Hey Charlie,

I am having a hard time following you.

Can you explain how you did this, what tool you used, what the steps were to find these tools in the menu, and maybe circle some stuff in Paint with some arrows and stuff.

I would not know where to begin.

Sorry!! Maybe I am dense!!!
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