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- grow your own maple, spruce and walnut and learn to handcraft your guitars; raise and slaughter your own goats to handcraft your own banjos, drums and tambourines I'm not averse to slaughtering my own goats by any means, but it gets a bit messy in my small apartment. Joking aside, you forgot "building your own microphones, preamps, recording gear, amplifiers, and electronics" which is a big part of my musical expression and inspiration. Built a new synth? Sweet, let's write a song with it. So which is best? It doesn't matter! The end result is what matters! Exactly!
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I think it is different from BAND IN A BOX. Arcade 2.0 cannot input chords, select styles, and generate music. The current Arcade 2.0 has just become a sound sampler. Or edit the chords yourself, edit all the content. As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones, it can immediately surpass Arcade 2.0
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As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones I hope you will consider the possibility, at some point, that you have stated this preference enough times.
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...As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones, it can immediately surpass Arcade 2.0 Can you recommend any free VSTi that Biab could include for electronic sounds so if they add more electronic midi style MidiSuperTracks there will be a synth/s preset for them ?
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www.computermusic.co.uk just goes to musicradar I think you need to buy the mag to get them. I wouldn't know what would be the best, I though swingbabymix would know.
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As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones I hope you will consider the possibility, at some point, that you have stated this preference enough times. Because now BIAB lacks electronic sound, there is no lack of guitar. More modern electronic sounds. 
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As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones I hope you will consider the possibility, at some point, that you have stated this preference enough times. Because now BIAB lacks electronic sound, there is no lack of guitar. More modern electronic sounds. FYI - there are a number of free synths with 100s with electronic sounds available right now. Take a MIDI track or convert a RT to MIDI and use the VSTi. This may be better for you then a number of RTs. YMMV I'll have to do a song to demo what I mean.
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As long as BAND IN A BOX adds similar electronic tones I hope you will consider the possibility, at some point, that you have stated this preference enough times. Because now BIAB lacks electronic sound, there is no lack of guitar. More modern electronic sounds. FYI - there are a number of free synths with 100s with electronic sounds available right now. Take a MIDI track or convert a RT to MIDI and use the VSTi. This may be better for you then a number of RTs. YMMV I'll have to do a song to demo what I mean. Hope to hear your demo song. In fact, this is a question of production ideas. The overall style of BAND IN A BOX is soft. I basically don't use the drums in BIAB, I use UJAM instead, which will make the music feel more modern as a whole. Including BASS, the electronic tone actually needs to be more modern. Nowadays, a lot of music generally feels harder and higher. I don't know what vocabulary is more suitable. I also like the current BIAB style and it is very comfortable. But it does lack a modern feel, even if it replaces MIDI, it is still a bit different from modern music. If a lot of guitar parts are added to a song, it may not feel very modern. Because many songs nowadays are just a drum and bass, plus some electronic sounds. However, the requirements for singing people are actually very high. Modern songs and vocals are all very good. At present, BIAB's overall arrangement is more in line with common requirements. I don't know how to describe it in English, but that's roughly what it means.
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<< But it does lack a modern feel, even if it replaces MIDI, it is still a bit different from modern music. >>
<< Because now BIAB lacks electronic sound, there is no lack of guitar. More modern electronic sounds. >>
<< FYI - there are a number of free synths with 100s with electronic sounds available right now. Take a MIDI track or convert a RT to MIDI and use the VSTi. This may be better for you then a number of RTs. YMMV >>Swingbabymix, you are not using the potential of BIAB for creating modern electronic music. As Mario points out, a MIDI track can play any MIDI instrument sound the MIDI data instructs it how and when to play. BIAB can play MIDI files and depending on the MIDI instrument and quality of the MIDI track data and VSTi, the BIAB program will faithfully produce a high quality MIDI song. Playing a MIDI file in BIAB is not dependent on a BIAB MIDI style. Your point seems to be that BIAB lacks having its own modern MIDI Styles. The issue isn't that BIAB doesn't have modern MIDI styles, it does, there's hundreds of them and they've been adding and updating them for years. The issue is that over short periods of time, modern music continues to progress and change particularly using unique and custom human percussive sounds, inverted and stretched samples so that quickly, the existing BIAB modern sounds are no longer up to date with what is current in that market today. Jazz, country, some pop and many other genres don't have this issue of constantly becoming obsolete that MIDI concentric music does. BIAB provides a simple solution to this issue today and into all the future morphing and ongoing becoming obsolete consistent with the ever changing modern music genre. Take any high quality MIDI song file and quickly and easily convert it into a BIAB style. Then, just like Austin Hull with Make Pop Music analyzes and replicates a song "in the style of Ariana Grandes Songs (34+35, Obvious, Positions) from her new album, you can start with a quality current Modern Music MIDI Song and convert it into a BIAB Style to create your own original song with the feel, groove, instrumentation and everything else it takes to replicate that sound. Then simply load your custom style into BIAB, choose high quality VSTi's and instruments and you're set. Here's a video tutorial by PG Music: Note that this function has been available since 2013.... Band in a Box: Stylewizard
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i agree completely with your post.
i think what sbmix is possibly missing is modern music is all about useing the right plug in instrument sounds.
and samples etc.
the other day i was mucking around with some urban and funk styles, ....but then plugging in plug ins with modern sounds in.
i keep on suggesting the computer music mag (pipeline
i think the download non paper version is 5 buks.)
BECAUSE it includes a bunch of free synths like dune and zebra and sample players you can play modern
samples with.
sbmix.
before you post anymore that biab isnt modern sounding PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING.
1. like i just did this week, go through and AUDITION IN DETAIL every single pg music style and demo. there are thousands. and save the styles you like.
in the process write down the instrument real trak
id's you like for modern sounding productions, and patches and real drums. as you come acrtoss them.
2. only after haveing done the above THEN tell me you dont hear any sound pictures you can use in modern songs.
crikey, just tother day i came across some sounds that sounded like they could be used in modern songs.
3. with your shortlist of styles saved, and i'm sure youll have at least 40. now plug in free vsti synths and sample players with modern sounds from the net or from computer music mag i mentioned. (you tube has demos of various cm mag plug ins.)
in summary sbmix from the songs you have given examples of i sincerely believe its only a question of HOW YOUR USEING BIAB....as well as your choice of plug ins.
tell me out of the tons of real trak examples you dont hear any sounds that cant be sliced/diced/used in modern songs.
best to you/happiness.
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I'm reading this thread with great interest - being able to produce contemporary pop music tracks with Band in a Box - and then possibly combining that with classic BiaB real tracks (jazz, big band, country ...) could open up completely new application areas and target groups.
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I'm reading this thread with great interest - being able to produce contemporary pop music tracks with Band in a Box - and then possibly combining that with classic BiaB real tracks (jazz, big band, country ...) could open up completely new application areas and target groups. Yes! I think new contemporary pop styles augmented (to the taste of the songwriter) by Realtracks from other BIAB genres could be very interesting. I hope PG can make a more user-friendly way of navigating substitute realtracks.
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I'm reading this thread with great interest - being able to produce contemporary pop music tracks with Band in a Box - and then possibly combining that with classic BiaB real tracks (jazz, big band, country ...) could open up completely new application areas and target groups. Yes! I think new contemporary pop styles augmented (to the taste of the songwriter) by Realtracks from other BIAB genres could be very interesting. I hope PG can make a more user-friendly way of navigating substitute realtracks. According to the current progress rate, it is estimated that it will take 2025 or 2030 to achieve it
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Just a quick comment around the discussion of "dull chord sounds", assuming some need for BiaB to adapt and provide them. From what I can tell as a relative newcomer to using this tool, is that BiaB covers almost all of the chord families, making their sounds available, as described by composers in standard notation form, with a couple of exception. I in Major, and Minor are full covered. II in Major and Minor are almost fully covered, including their IV substitutes. V is fully covered in Major, mostly in minor.
The areas of difference are the upper extension sounds in II minor, and the various forms of V in minor, as well as ways of stating chromatic sounds, mostly reflective of Minor uses of built up chord Shapes in upper extensions, augmented, and diminished sounds. These get fairly difficult to pin down with a chord name.
One area BiaB could adapt is to enable polychord notation, triad on top of a triad, and or triad over a four note chord. It gets close with the chord over base note. But as far as finding chords that aren't quote dull, unquote, what can you be looking for other than some triadic/quartal shape, or inversion of one, over a base note, or interval?
As an old foggie, I think they've got what I need covered, until I get a film score assignment. But I would like to know more about what people are hunting for asking for more "modern chord sounds".
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Just a quick comment around the discussion of "dull chord sounds", assuming some need for BiaB to adapt and provide them. From what I can tell as a relative newcomer to using this tool, is that BiaB covers almost all of the chord families, making their sounds available, as described by composers in standard notation form, with a couple of exception. I in Major, and Minor are full covered. II in Major and Minor are almost fully covered, including their IV substitutes. V is fully covered in Major, mostly in minor.
The areas of difference are the upper extension sounds in II minor, and the various forms of V in minor, as well as ways of stating chromatic sounds, mostly reflective of Minor uses of built up chord Shapes in upper extensions, augmented, and diminished sounds. These get fairly difficult to pin down with a chord name.
One area BiaB could adapt is to enable polychord notation, triad on top of a triad, and or triad over a four note chord. It gets close with the chord over base note. But as far as finding chords that aren't quote dull, unquote, what can you be looking for other than some triadic/quartal shape, or inversion of one, over a base note, or interval?
As an old foggie, I think they've got what I need covered, until I get a film score assignment. But I would like to know more about what people are hunting for asking for more "modern chord sounds". Hello HunterGatherer, I'm not sure where "dull chord sounds" comes from. I have no complaints about BIAB's range of chords - that's its greatest strength for me. I have commented on what I regard as the dull chord progressions of backing tracks sold for the purpose of toplining. These are fixed chord progressions with modern sounding arrangements (nothing to do with what PG offers). They are sold on websites with the intention of making themselves as widely usable as possible so the progressions are often bland. I've written songs to some of them and found it frustrating because of the inability to choose your own chords. One song I had to write to a backing track had only two chords in the whole song. I started this thread because BIAB's EXCELLENT feature of being able to choose any chords you want could solve the problem of the chord straitjacket of these tracks sold for toplining... IF BIAB could add some styles that really do sound like mainstream contemporary pop songs. So the discussion of styles/sounds is separate from chords. I hope that clarifies what I'm asking for.
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Just a note some may find interest in of a short song I posted onto the Users Showcase today based on my reading and understanding of techniques presented by Austin Hull of the Make Pop Music website and YouTube videos and also from various opinions voiced in this forum discussion. The song was composed only using BIAB styles, RealTrack instruments and Midi instruments. The arrangement and production was completed solely in BIAB. It ended up with five sections, 17 tracks, 12 instruments, 3 Styles, 5 Real Synth Pads and a repeating chord progression. Other instrumentation is one RT Bass, one RT Piano with held chords, Acoustic Guitar and three RealDrums tracks. There were also 4 tracks of PG Music special RealTrack 1152, Silence that is used for programming purposes by the BIAB algorithm. Modern Pop Music Demo
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Lack of electronic elements
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
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"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
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