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#677349 - 10/11/21 10:35 AM [Beginners Forum] General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style?
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Hello,

I googled so much and viewed a lot of videos belongs to BIAB, but I have absolutely no clue, how BIAB works on the end.

My aim is
- pick/load a style (or melody)
- after loading a style immedely play completely improvised with my hardware keyboard(s) like a hardware keyboard/workstation with build in auto
accompanient
- not using extra midi files (or waves) in my DAW
- not input any chords/notes, cause I would only improvise (so I don't no in advance, which chords/notes I will use)

Is BIAB on the end not a "ready-to-play-solution"?

If I select a style (or melody) I hear the style only by pressing the play buttons in BIAB. My hardware keyboards (also the keyboard of my DAW) are connected through BIAB (I hope so), but nothing "happens"/starts if I play on the hardware keyboards.

Is there a workflow belongs to "My aim is" to get it work?

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#677384 - 10/11/21 02:52 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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Originally Posted By: Creator1962
Hello,

I googled so much and viewed a lot of videos belongs to BIAB, but I have absolutely no clue, how BIAB works on the end.

My aim is
- pick/load a style (or melody)
- after loading a style immedely play completely improvised with my hardware keyboard(s) like a hardware keyboard/workstation with build in auto accompanient
- not using extra midi files (or waves) in my DAW
- not input any chords/notes, cause I would only improvise (so I don't no in advance, which chords/notes I will use)

Is BIAB on the end not a "ready-to-play-solution"?

If I select a style (or melody) I hear the style only by pressing the play buttons in BIAB. My hardware keyboards (also the keyboard of my DAW) are connected through BIAB (I hope so), but nothing "happens"/starts if I play on the hardware keyboards.

Is there a workflow belongs to "My aim is" to get it work?

1:
I think you are asking if BiaB can work as an Arranger keyboard. I believe the answer to that question is No.
The first three aims appear more-or-less OK, but BiaB must know the chords in advance. You mentioned:
"- not input any chords/notes, cause I would only improvise (so I don't no in advance, which chords/notes I will use)".

2:
It is possible to start BiaB Playback from a MIDI keyboard. Check out the Conductor Window, as seen below:


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#677434 - 10/12/21 01:59 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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BIAB creates music from the chords you enter. As VideoTrack says it's not like a sophisticated arranger keyboard or simple keyboard with auto accompaniment. If that is what you are after, BIAB can't help. You can get your money back within 30 days of purchase, or you can learn how to use BIAB which is a hugely powerful program creating whole songs from the chords you enter, but won't do what you are trying to do.

I hope you discover the real pleasure working in BIAB that thousands of musicians of all levels have found.

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#677609 - 10/13/21 06:06 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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Hello @VideoTrack and @Bob Calver

thanks a lot for your response/your information.

Indeed, BIAB seems today not be the solution I'm looking for.
It's more related to song writers or entertainers in order to play full songs (or parts of it) without any varitions/improvsing (besido solo instruments).

Why BIAB don't provides such function after so many years of development; I have no idea.

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#677632 - 10/13/21 07:52 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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sorry Creator1962 but BIAB is exactly what you describe - it's an auto accompaniment package that creates complete songs based on chord progressions you enter. many users do solo/improvise over tracks they create but on a solo instrument.

BIAB is what it is and many years of development have made it a leader in its field rather than something it has never aspired to be

i suggest you try and get your money back with the 30 day guarantee


Edited by Bob Calver (10/13/21 07:52 AM)

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#677719 - 10/13/21 04:46 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Originally Posted By: Bob Calver
i suggest you try and get your money back with the 30 day guarantee

I'm not sure that the O/P has already purchased. I surmised that he/she was researching what the program would do, and if it could work as an arranger keyboard. But yes, the refund option is available if they wished.
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#677789 - 10/14/21 10:59 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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from the online manuals https://www.pgmusic.com/manuals/
Automatic Songs – “The Melodist”
https://www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2021full/chapter9.htm#automatic-songs-the-melodist



this would create an autamatic song in different styles with the melody muted if you like


Edited by pghboemike (10/14/21 03:59 PM)
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#677800 - 10/14/21 12:56 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: General workflow principle of BIAB to only play/improvise a style? [Re: Creator1962]
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Biab can be made to work as a Live Arranger the same as Reaper as I gave PG the info !
I got it all working with Reaper by using tracks from Biab or better still the BiabVST Plugin:

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=561237

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