Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#684504 11/21/21 06:31 PM
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
W
wish Offline OP
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
W
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
Hi, been out of the loop for some time but have started playing around with recording....just starting out and looking for some guitar effect options. At the moment AmpliTube 5 SE is on offer for about 40 euros..aprox $62 AUD.
Not sure if this is what I would be happy with but would be interested in any thoughts if anyone has used this.
Looking for options on some distortion at odd times but mainly trying to get my 72 SG Gibson to sound like a Strat. You may say best of luck with that.
Second part is some options for my Alesis V25 controller. Again AmpliTube has Sample Tank 4 offered at the same price. Anyone familiar with this module?
Cheers


BIAB 2022 UltraPAK
Xtra packs 1,2,3,4,5,6,13
2019 and 2018 49pak
Asus Zen Book UX533F 1TB ssd
Windows10 pro, 16g i7 64bit
Allen and Heath Z10fx mixer
Alesis V25 controller

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 1,986
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 1,986
amplitube is great. but i use amplitube 3 which came free with BIAB until recently. i tried a more up to date version but with their presets it was always trying to sell me something. when i chose one of tehir presets i needed to buy an extra amp or fx pedal etc.

amplitube custom shop 5 is free and if you can get it to use the BIAB presets you should be fine.

maybe you don't needs presets, its fairly straightforward and you might get the sound you want by just paying around with the stuff you get free.

to get the gibson sound like a strat you'll need a fair amount of eq! i have my humbuckers coil tapped to give single coil sounds and its not a bad compromise.

Last edited by Bob Calver; 11/22/21 12:31 AM.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
I have Amplitube and it is my go to amp sim. But it will not make your SG sound like a Strat.

IMHO the best software to change guitar tones is RE-Guitar:

https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_ReGuitar/

Be sure to scroll down and read Craig Anderton's review about making a Les Paul sound like a Strat.

I have Re-Guitar and it does work as advertised.


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,112
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,112
I second Mario's recommendation of Re-Guitar, I use it here also.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
W
wish Offline OP
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
W
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
Appreciate the feedback, thank you. Will see how the AmpliTube goes.
Cheers


BIAB 2022 UltraPAK
Xtra packs 1,2,3,4,5,6,13
2019 and 2018 49pak
Asus Zen Book UX533F 1TB ssd
Windows10 pro, 16g i7 64bit
Allen and Heath Z10fx mixer
Alesis V25 controller

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
W
wish Offline OP
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
W
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
Just wondering now if this deal at 39 euros is only an upgrade rather than a stand alone module. I have only the free version which offers very little.
Trying to contact them to see if I need a paid version for this.


BIAB 2022 UltraPAK
Xtra packs 1,2,3,4,5,6,13
2019 and 2018 49pak
Asus Zen Book UX533F 1TB ssd
Windows10 pro, 16g i7 64bit
Allen and Heath Z10fx mixer
Alesis V25 controller

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724

I am a huge Amplitube fan and find it to be kind of an indispensable tool.

There are some pedals such as the acoustic sim pedal that used in conjunction with the jazz 120 amp will do amazing things to a piezo acoustic electric.

On the electric front, I have never ceased to be amazed. Mind-boggling program. If you can go all out on it, do it. I have never been disappointed.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
Originally Posted By: David Snyder

I am a huge Amplitube fan and find it to be kind of an indispensable tool.

There are some pedals such as the acoustic sim pedal that used in conjunction with the jazz 120 amp will do amazing things to a piezo acoustic electric.

.................................


Thanx for that information David. I'll definitely give that a try.


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 9
B
Newbie
Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 9
Amplitube is cool but there are other great options. For example, Bias FX.
Also, many great free amp sims exist. Take a look at Ignite Amps

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,627
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,627
If it plays nice with your system, freeAmp is pretty cool too. I was impressed with the options for a free VST.
rekkerd.org seems to still have links, otherwise it seems to have disappeared.

Caveat, you may find that version 3, or 2.5 or 1.5 works best with your system.
It was a little buggy at times, but a pretty cool free guitar amp sim.

I also like 3rd bass (for bass amp sim) linked on the same page. Not always a fit, but sometimes makes the bass sound more live with a little tweaking.
Too bad Fretted Synth couldn't stay afloat

https://rekkerd.org/fretted-synth/
/one of the things that impressed me was simply moving the mic on the graphic from center to the corner of speaker made a difference. Lots of hidden little features for something free.
//fun to play with

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
FreeAmp3.jpg (100.39 KB, 81 downloads)
Last edited by rharv; 11/24/21 12:35 PM.

Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
W
wish Offline OP
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
W
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 218
Thanks again, have bought the SE Version and seems ok but probably need a better interface.
At the moment using the 10fx mixer but getting some latency playing live.
All good…thanks


BIAB 2022 UltraPAK
Xtra packs 1,2,3,4,5,6,13
2019 and 2018 49pak
Asus Zen Book UX533F 1TB ssd
Windows10 pro, 16g i7 64bit
Allen and Heath Z10fx mixer
Alesis V25 controller

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
If the goal is to get your SG to sound like a strat, I will offer a different plug-in solution: a cheap strat copy.

This is almost assuredly cheaper to get a strat sound, particularly position 2 and 4 tones.

Maybe I have just been lucky, but in the past 4 years, I’ve purchased a full body thickness Squier Affinity strat, and a Peavey Milestone sorta-strat, each was $25. The Squier needed filing on the frets, which became a project and the Peavey became a gig guitar. Both sound like strats (the Squier is half way through becoming a dual lipstick pickup guitar with parallel and series wiring like a Danelectro.

The point is that if you have the room and the patience, there are so many decent strat guitars out there that your fastest and cheapest path to the chime of a strat is to just get one! If you want to buy new, Harley Benton, Stagg, SX, all make gig worthy and recording worthy copies for $129 roughly here in the US

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724

To that point, I have a used white Mexican strat I bought at the Guitar Center, I think, for a few hundred about 10 years ago and it will smoke any other guitar I have played, anywhere, for any price.

It will simply burn the house down and I have played nothing that compares to it at any price, anywhere. It doesn't really even need effects--just a Fender Twin will do.

I am convinced that guitars have nothing to do with price or label--at all. I went through two music stores and played every single guitar they had for about four or five hours before I took home the Mexican Strat. There were $6,000 guitars that sounded just awful.

So, yeah, if you want a Strat sound, go to a store and spend a day playing every thing they have. That is my suggestion too.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 7,724
Mario,

Just wanted to clarify, in case I need to. smile

My suggestion is not about getting an acoustic sound out of an electric with the amplitube acoustic sim pedal and the Jazz 120 amp, it is about applying those to an acoustic electric. (Hope that was clear.)

There are amazing things you can do with the acoustic sim pedal using that Jazz amp to create and adjust new body sounds and really enrich the tone of an acoustic electric.

It's wild.

Tell me how it works for you.

smile

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,751
Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Mario,

Just wanted to clarify, in case I need to. smile

My suggestion is not about getting an acoustic sound out of an electric with the amplitube acoustic sim pedal and the Jazz 120 amp, it is about applying those to an acoustic electric. (Hope that was clear.)

There are amazing things you can do with the acoustic sim pedal using that Jazz amp to create and adjust new body sounds and really enrich the tone of an acoustic electric.

It's wild.

Tell me how it works for you.

smile


David, I did understand about the acoustic electric guitar into the Amplitube set up. I just never had thought about your method. I will let you know how things work out after I try it.

Thanx again about that suggestion.

PS - if you want to get an acoustic sound out of an electric you might want to try ReGuitar:

https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_ReGuitar/

This product is pretty amazing IMHO.


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 1,629
PG Music Staff
Offline
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 1,629
Originally Posted By: Bob Calver
to get the gibson sound like a strat you'll need a fair amount of eq! i have my humbuckers coil tapped to give single coil sounds and its not a bad compromise.

EQ will help, but even that won't be quite close enough! There's a fair bit of phase cancellation with humbuckers, given that they're essentially mixing the frequencies at two different positions on the strings. To do a really accurate sim you'd need a bunch of moving notch filters at frequencies relative to the two magnet positions on each pickup, as the frequencies being notched out change depending on the note and which string it's played on, and that doesn't even account for everything since some humbuckers intentionally mismatch coils and magnet strength and etc etc...


Originally Posted By: David Snyder
I am convinced that guitars have nothing to do with price or label--at all. I went through two music stores and played every single guitar they had for about four or five hours before I took home the Mexican Strat. There were $6,000 guitars that sounded just awful.

So, yeah, if you want a Strat sound, go to a store and spend a day playing every thing they have. That is my suggestion too.

I second that. Having worked at a guitar shop, I can assure you that price tag does not necessarily mean quality. We had a number of very high ticket instruments that played so poorly they should've slashed a zero off the sticker - one arrived from the factory with a 4-inch crack running down the neck and the paint was running into the crack, meaning it was cracked before painting and whoever painted it, whoever added the hardware, whoever did finishing fretwork, whoever strung and tuned it, and whoever QC'd and boxed it ALL missed it! Price tag at the time was around $4000.

Comparatively, the absolute best guitar I own is a Japanese-built Jackson electric, which was traded in when I worked there. I ended up paying under $300 for it, complete with Seymour Duncan pickups and the nicest gig bag I've ever had. The second best guitar I own is a 1981 Ibanez Strat knockoff that I paid $100 for complete with some very nice sounding ceramic pickups that a lot of people seem to despise on paper - personally I'd pit it against anything at least 10 times the price.

And, funny enough, one of the best playing guitars I played there was a hot pink Squier Strat with Hello Kitty all over it. Shoulda bought it. Oh well.


That said, back on topic, I've had mixed luck with plugins trying to change the inherent tone of the instrument, however I had good results from the old Peavey Revalver plugin doing a fairly realistic job of making humbuckers sound like single coils. To get accurate emulation they made you strum the guitar into the plugin to have it figure out the frequencies/overtones coming out, so they knew what needed to be EQ'd or whatever.


Originally Posted By: MarioD
PS - if you want to get an acoustic sound out of an electric you might want to try ReGuitar:

https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_ReGuitar/

This product is pretty amazing IMHO.

Blue Cat makes some great stuff!


I work here
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
I don’t know if you can get Monoprice products in Oz, but Clicky here these Indio series guitars, including this strat copy for 80 USD WILL absolutely sound like a strat.

Last edited by rockstar_not; 11/26/21 01:56 PM.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Originally Posted By: rockstar_not
I don’t know if you can get Monoprice products in Oz, but Clicky here these Indio series guitars, including this strat copy for 80 USD WILL absolutely sound like a strat.



Great site, Scott. Thanks for the link.


Regards,

Bob

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!

Add updated printing options, enhanced tracks settings, smoother use of MGU and SGU (BB files) within PowerTracks, and more with the latest PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 update!

Learn more about this free update for PowerTracks Pro Audio & download it at www.pgmusic.com/support_windows_pt.htm#2024_5

The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!

The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!

Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.

This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245

The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option

Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!

Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!

For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!

With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!

Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics81,560
Posts734,413
Members38,491
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
VIPBET사설토토, GlebeGreg, michel vermeulen, Mikanh132, ABE
38,491 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 184
DC Ron 110
dcuny 98
Today's Birthdays
IAN WILLIAMS, larochep
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5