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When I enter Cadd9, it will automatically become Cadd2
How to input Cadd9 in BIAB?
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Here is a full list of the chords recognized by Band-in-a-Box. The chord names have to be entered exactly as shown here. Alternative spellings for the same chord type will not be recognized. https://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_chordlist.htm

This video also goes over entering chords into Band-in-a-Box: https://youtu.be/rAKw4ZPOK_c

Instead of typing in the chord names, you could alternatively use the Chord Builder window. Right click the bar you wish to enter a chord, then select Chord Build in the menu.


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These are effectively the same chord, do you understand why?

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Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
...These are effectively the same chord...
Yes, and it's even more than that. BIAB does not distinguish between a 2 chord, an add2 chord, an add9 chord, and a sus2 chord. All are handled as 2 chords in BIAB. So even if you can type them in, they are treated internally as the same chord.


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Originally Posted By: Chantelle - PG Music
Here is a full list of the chords recognized by Band-in-a-Box. The chord names have to be entered exactly as shown here. Alternative spellings for the same chord type will not be recognized. https://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_chordlist.htm

This video also goes over entering chords into Band-in-a-Box: https://youtu.be/rAKw4ZPOK_c

Instead of typing in the chord names, you could alternatively use the Chord Builder window. Right click the bar you wish to enter a chord, then select Chord Build in the menu.



I don't quite understand.
Can you tell me directly which Cadd9 is?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
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...These are effectively the same chord...
Yes, and it's even more than that. BIAB does not distinguish between a 2 chord, an add2 chord, an add9 chord, and a sus2 chord. All are handled as 2 chords in BIAB. So even if you can type them in, they are treated internally as the same chord.



Cadd9 = Cadd2 ? right?

So, what chords are included in C7+ ,C9+?

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Yes, as you enter them into BIAB, and they are all converted to a 2 chord. But No, as far as classical theory, where the meaning of the four chords I gave is different for each. Don't forget, you may hear any of the four being played by a RealTrack artist.

And if you mean, are there other ways to enter C7+ into BIAB? Yes. C7#5 or C7aug (which isn't on the 2018 chart).

C9+ is also possible by C9#5 but C9aug does not work.

I can't wait for the next question, about Bflat9 versus Bnatural with a flatted nine...




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Originally Posted By: swingbabymix

Can you tell me directly which Cadd9 is?

Yes. Cadd9 is the same notes as Cadd2 because in C, the 9 and the 2 are both the note D.

Strictly, the 9 is in the next octave above the C, but in practice it is often played as the 2, because the "quality" of the chord is the same.

We often do the same with 11 and 13.
Any or all of these may be modified by a flat (b) or a sharp (#).

If 9 is the same as 2, you might want to think about which notes 11 and 13 are the same as.


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Yes, as you enter them into BIAB, and they are all converted to a 2 chord. But No, as far as classical theory, where the meaning of the four chords I gave is different for each. Don't forget, you may hear any of the four being played by a RealTrack artist.

And if you mean, are there other ways to enter C7+ into BIAB? Yes. C7#5 or C7aug (which isn't on the 2018 chart).

C9+ is also possible by C9#5 but C9aug does not work.

I can't wait for the next question, about Bflat9 versus Bnatural with a flatted nine...





thanks! grin

My next question is, Asus4 and Asus2 sound different
But only Asus can be recognized in Biab?


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If 9 is the same as 2, you might want to think about which notes 11 and 13 are the same as.


This has me wondering, what is the highest numbered interval? I mean, they could stop at 7 and start over at 2, but they don’t, so you get 9 etc. Where does it stop? 13? Could it go even higher, into the next octave, for 16ths and 18ths etc.?

To be clear, I'm not asking about what notes exist or what can be played, I'm asking if any musician would actually speak of something like a C18th chord.

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I've never heard of anything higher than 13.

I guess this is because the main intervals we express are odd ... 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 & 13, but the 9, 11 & 13 equate to even interval notes in the next octave up, then 15 would be back to the root note again. There's no need to continue.


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Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
...I'm asking if any musician would actually speak of something like a C18th chord.
A fair question to ask. No, I've never encountered anything over 13. And for people just learning, when you see these upper notes above an octave, just subtract 7 to get the same pitch in the register one octave lower. 13=6. 11=4. 9=2.

So yes, Gordon, 15 - 7 = 8, which is the same tone (just in a higher register) as the root since 8 - 7 = 1.


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this is what I have been thinking about and it is still very common in guitar music to use those two chords.

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Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
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Yes, as you enter them into BIAB, and they are all converted to a 2 chord. But No, as far as classical theory, where the meaning of the four chords I gave is different for each. Don't forget, you may hear any of the four being played by a RealTrack artist.

And if you mean, are there other ways to enter C7+ into BIAB? Yes. C7#5 or C7aug (which isn't on the 2018 chart).

C9+ is also possible by C9#5 but C9aug does not work.

[size:8pt]I can't wait for the next question, about Bflat9 versus Bnatural with a flatted nine...[/size.

I mean this message.





thanks! grin

My next question is, Asus4 and Asus2 sound different
But only Asus can be recognized in Biab?

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My next question is, Asus4 and Asus2 sound different
But only Asus can be recognized in Biab?
When someone says to you, play a sus chord, 'sus' is an abbreviation of 'suspended' and it is just assumed they mean sus4. BIAB assumes that, too, and omits writing the '4'.

Sus2 is an unusual chord, and some musicians do not even recognize it as a suspended chord at all (does it resolve, and where - a discussion for a different day). Somewhere in one of these many threads on chords for BIAB, I explained to you that BIAB handles a sus2 chord as a 2 chord. Do you see why it should, and will, sound different now from a sus4 chord?


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Originally Posted By: Chantelle - PG Music
Here is a full list of the chords recognized by Band-in-a-Box. The chord names have to be entered exactly as shown here. Alternative spellings for the same chord type will not be recognized. https://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_chordlist.htm

This video also goes over entering chords into Band-in-a-Box: https://youtu.be/rAKw4ZPOK_c

Instead of typing in the chord names, you could alternatively use the Chord Builder window. Right click the bar you wish to enter a chord, then select Chord Build in the menu.


Thanks Chantelle. This was very helpful. Love that trick for using "3" for "#" because I am often typing one handed while holding my guitar. Cool!


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
When someone says to you, play a sus chord, 'sus' is an abbreviation of 'suspended' and it is just assumed they mean sus4. BIAB assumes that, too, and omits writing the '4'.

Sus2 is an unusual chord, and some musicians do not even recognize it as a suspended chord at all (does it resolve, and where - a discussion for a different day). Somewhere in one of these many threads on chords for BIAB, I explained to you that BIAB handles a sus2 chord as a 2 chord. Do you see why it should, and will, sound different now from a sus4 chord?



OK. What the teacher meant is that in BIAB, Asus=Asus4, Right?


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Re: Stopping at 13ths –

Take a 6th chord. Push that 6th note up and the chord becomes a 7th.

What happens if you do that to a 13th chord? What do you call it, if not a 14th? (Screenshot shows what I think would be a "C dominant 14th")

I realize you have to stop somewhere, but I'm curious about this limit. Maybe 13 is just bad luck for all numbers above it.

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What do you call it, if not a major 14th?


I'm on shaky ground now. I think by then we've gone right through the list and it's back to the Maj7 again, though I accept that's a weak argument on my part. One could also define it as ##13 and avoid the subject :-)

The simple(?) 9, 11 & 13 imply also the additional notes below them in the sequence, so 13 implies also 7, 9 & 11, though they're quite often omitted. I believe "add" means explicitely to only the named note, but I'm ready to be corrected on that. That still means that Cm7add11 has five notes in it.


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Re: Stopping at 13ths –

Take a 6th chord. Push that 6th note up and the chord becomes a 7th.

What happens if you do that to a 13th chord? What do you call it, if not a 14th?
(Screenshot shows what I think would be a "C dominant 14th")

I realize you have to stop somewhere, but I'm curious about this limit. Maybe 13 is just bad luck for all numbers above it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth


OK, looking at that chord, I think I've answered my own question. Partially.

A dominant 13th is adding a new pitch class to the chord, like A in the key of C. That pitch class is not present in the chord below it.

However, a "dominant 14th" just doubles the 7th, like Bb in the key of C. That pitch class is already present in the chord below it, so you're not really adding anything.

Of course, you could raise the seventh to a B and keep the 14th as a Bb, or raise the 14th to a B ...

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