For sure, I will do something better for a bass line, this is just a demo, I even suppressed the metronome and piano to keep it minimal.
I want to make a new lyric. The morbid Irishman in me wants to have the singer singing from beyond the grave, regretting that he cannot cross that "ocean" to reunite with his love who still lives. I don't know if there's any version of the traditional song that has it that way, I'd be surprised if not. In any case, it's my party and I'll die if I want to. =8^)
I'd be interested in hearing a new lyric. Apparently, the one I use differs greatly from the original, not just because it's in English and rather sentimental, but because early Gaelic versions were usually quite bawdy and humorous!
My music may not set the world on fire but if it causes a glow in just one person's heart, it has all been worthwhile
One of my favorite songs. First heard it when done by Charlotte Church. Who is one of my favorite singers. Bass was a little loud. I think an Irish whistle or steel pipe would be cool. I think thats what they call it.
One of my favorite songs. First heard it when done by Charlotte Church. Who is one of my favorite singers. Bass was a little loud. I think an Irish whistle or steel pipe would be cool. I think thats what they call it.
Listening to Charlotte, thanks for that. Now she's singing Tonight.
I have a complete set of those steel pipes. I call them pennywhistles.
I hear "The Stripper" in my head right now, because of that other thread.
I should mention that I don't plan on doing this as another headbanger like "Star Of The County Down".
At the moment, I'm checking out melodic inversion in a descant, constrained to the existing chords. I don't think this works well with both lines together, I think the main melody needs to be presented in isolation. But there's definitely material here to be expanded on, for the larger piece to which I continue to commit myself...
I hear "The Stripper" in my head right now, because of that other thread.
I should mention that I don't plan on doing this as another headbanger like "Star Of The County Down".
At the moment, I'm checking out melodic inversion in a descant, constrained to the existing chords. I don't think this works well with both lines together, I think the main melody needs to be presented in isolation. But there's definitely material here to be expanded on, for the larger piece to which I continue to commit myself...
I think of The Birthday party's Nick The Stripper when the word is used. "He's a fat little in sec tah" I think the inversion comes across as newer and almost an new original.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
I think the inversion comes across as newer and almost an new original.
Yeah, so it competes with the base melody and distracts from it. Something to use for an instrumental break, or I could let the inversion change the chords as well and have a whole alternate section to bounce into and back out of.
This is just a simple flip of every note around the root axis. The only thing I did after from running the Logic function was adjust octaves to keep everything in range and add the cute arpeggiator.
I am, like, stunned. Voila, new music, beautiful new music. Honesty compels me to credit the source, but I could rightfully claim this as a new, original composition, if I wanted to detach it from this project, which I do not.
Here's an idea for ya, replace the bass with a cello. Replace the piano with a soft music box. Double the song and add the penny whistle in that second half either playing harmony or some counter point. Just a thought based on how I would do it. YMMV
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Here's an idea for ya, replace the bass with a cello. Replace the piano with a soft music box. Double the song and add the penny whistle in that second half either playing harmony or some counter point. Just a thought based on how I would do it.
Thanks, I just pasted the text above into my Logic project's note pad.
I am, like, stunned. Voila, new music, beautiful new music. Honesty compels me to credit the source, but I could rightfully claim this as a new, original composition, if I wanted to detach it from this project, which I do not.
Yep, that's something to go on with for certain.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
OK, not wishing to wear out my welcome here, I will not post Yet Another In-Progress Version. But I think I have arrived at an ARCHITECTURE for this project, within which further development will take place, and I will post a picture of it.
Four short sections, about a minute each:
1) The theme in D Major (green) 2) The theme inverted, but constrained to the original chord progression (blue) 3) The theme and chords inverted – for reasons I do not fully understand, this takes the piece into G minor (red) 4) Return to the original chord progression in D Major, with the theme doubled by its in-key inversion
As Ensign Parker used to say on McHale's Navy, "Gee I love that kind of talk!"
Much room within each section for all manner of foolishness and folderol, and the key changes present a challenge to do something more interesting than just slam one against the other. I am incorporating Mario's suggestions regarding instrumention, using cello, recorder and celesta. At some point, I will probably invoke BIAB.
From the Irish traditional. Done mostly in Logic, with cello from BIAB as well as a very brief guitar coda that might be the best part. Please see spiffy colored diagram above for architectural overview. Thanks for the support during incubation.
Resolved is an understatement... This is brilliant. The Elec piano is perfect... The cello counterpoint works so well, and Acoustic Guitar at the end is a really nice touch... Great work Mark...
Resolved is an understatement... This is brilliant. The Elec piano is perfect... The cello counterpoint works so well, and Acoustic Guitar at the end is a really nice touch... Great work Mark...
thank you thank you thank you
All the abstract business with inversion works, I think, in a real psychological/emotional way, I consciously used it to try to create a little "story arc" here: you leave home to wander, things get beautiful / wild / weird, you come home again. I'm happy with this as an attempt at that. Pretty mushy stuff at the end!
Really really really glad you liked, thanks again.
That's really cool. My only suggestion would be to tweak the top end of each instrument as it gets a little bright verging on strident as it builds. Well done yet again...and well done technology for ably assisting.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Man, you sure know how to bring out the magic in the music, Mark, and I liked the spiffy colored diagram. Such a good write. The counterpart and choice of instruments is just perfect.
Guess that answers a question I had about Resolved. Often I want to thank folks dfor commenting, but I'm reluctant to bring a song back to the top. I was wondering if that would be the way.
I just listened to each rendition of this masterpiece, and you sure made terrific choices along the way.
My only suggestion would be to tweak the top end of each instrument as it gets a little bright verging on strident as it builds.
Absolutely, I will tend to that forthwith*. Don't know how I let it slip the first time, I guess it was late and my sleepy brain needed the treble buzz.
True Confession: This is probably the result of overreliance on Izotope presets. I need to get in there and do more thingies with the doodads.
Thanks, Ray.
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* Done, or at least attempted, in the currently linked "golden" version.
Guess that answers a question I had about Resolved. Often I want to thank folks for commenting, but I'm reluctant to bring a song back to the top. I was wondering if that would be the way.
Yeah, I noticed that option and thought, what does that even mean, so of course I clicked it. My idea was to say, "Mission accomplished: here's the piece I started this thread to commit myself to making."
I don't know about using that to thank people for their comments normally, though. It might look like you're saying, "Enough, you're repeating yourselves" or, from the viewpoint of future readers, "This thread is DONE, do not resuscitate".
Anyway! My deep thanks for your consideration and kind words.
Normally, if that much work goes into a song, it's probably better to repost it. Otherwise, it's likely to be missed by people who have commented on it, and might not realize it's been reworked.
I'm talking about people like me, of course.
There are a few points where the recorder is masked by the piano.
The middle section didn't work that well for me, mostly because I wasn't a fan of the brass patch. That's not a suggestion that it needs to be changed, though.
The huge reverb at the end was a bit jolting, but less so than other things you've posted.
Pretty tune, engaging counterpoint. This works really nicely.
Hi Mark Maybe its me but I didn't like (or maybe just not 'get') the Inverted versions. Too 'clever' and lost the soul of the tune and its simplicity. But, ah, this finished version is just beautiful!! Bests ian
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Normally, if that much work goes into a song, it's probably better to repost it. Otherwise, it's likely to be missed by people who have commented on it, and might not realize it's been reworked.
Yeah, I anguished about that, but in the end I decided against a new thread so as to not hog shelf space. It seemed uncool to have Clorox Demo and Clorox Golden Master on the bleach shelves at the same time. It's a tricky issue.
Originally Posted By: dcuny
I'm talking about people like me, of course.
Which means you're interested and for that I thank you once again.
Originally Posted By: dcuny
There are a few points where the recorder is masked by the piano.
Sigh. I try! I do, but then I give up. Every now and then a single note just disappears in the mix and I cannot pull it back out. This is an ongoing challenge I am working on, and I thank you for not letting me skate on this. (Who was that "masked" man?)
Originally Posted By: dcuny
The middle section didn't work that well for me, mostly because I wasn't a fan of the brass patch. That's not a suggestion that it needs to be changed, though.
That horn part is kind of dear to my heart, so I wouldn't give it up. But I am sure I could have rendered it better.
Originally Posted By: dcuny
The huge reverb at the end was a bit jolting, but less so than other things you've posted.
For some reason, the trick of tacking that on felt like an old-fashioned vinyl thing. Now I'm thinking: next time I'll have a repeating play-out groove. I'll have a short phrase repeat for like a half hour, so the listener will be forced to manually interrupt play, just like with a turntable! I love this idea. I will be sure to include a warning. =8^)
Originally Posted By: dcuny
Pretty tune, engaging counterpoint. This works really nicely.
Maybe its me but I didn't like (or maybe just not 'get') the Inverted versions. Too 'clever' and lost the soul of the tune and its simplicity. But, ah, this finished version is just beautiful!!
Hi, Ian. I appreciate the comment. As for "too clever" – I suspect my "work in progress" comments may have contributed to that. So never mind inversion and architecture, I would hope to be able to offer this music without all that talk and it will sound OK. I love the old simple song, but I'm no Irish folksinger, so this is what I do. =8)
A very enjoyable and delicate treatment of this piece. And, yes, the high guitar at the end was exquisite. Thanks for sharing and for taking us on your journey. Cheers, Mike
A very enjoyable and delicate treatment of this piece. And, yes, the high guitar at the end was exquisite. Thanks for sharing and for taking us on your journey.
Glad you liked, especially glad you liked the ending!
I was looking for BIAB styles I might want to use, and really liked that one, but it was in 3/4 and the rest of the piece was in 4/4. I tried a few tricks to bolt the two together but it all sounded very inorganic. Then I thought, well, just tack on a few seconds as an afterthought, a sideways look at the path not taken.
I said this to Mr. Cuny:
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For some reason, the trick of tacking that on felt like an old-fashioned vinyl thing. Now I'm thinking: next time I'll have a repeating play-out groove. I'll have a short phrase repeat for like a half hour, so the listener will be forced to manually interrupt play, just like with a turntable!
I am TOO SERIOUS about this, and THIS CLOSE (fingers held itty-bitty distance apart) to actually doing it! I just can't imagine getting away with that kind of performance art without being totally annoying to listeners who didn't follow the program. ("Too long! It was OK up to a point, but that ending was intolerable, it sounded like a broken record! Sorry, I had to turn it off!")
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