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#697989 01/13/22 04:35 AM
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What tools would you recommend for someone who has no vocal range and sounds like a death rattle? I just want to record demos. I've looked at some vocal software but the learning curve is probably longer than my life expectancy. (Don't recommend a shovel, but that is funny.) BIAB 2022. Cakewalk (but never used it).

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Marry a singer! Okay, I'm going out ....


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Voice lessons.

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Sigh ... cry

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OK if you are not going to do those two suggestions the best on the advice I can give is to purchase Melodyne's Assistant. It ain't cheap at around $300 USD but it will correct your vocal pitch mistakes and with formats actually change your voice. The Assistant is the cheapest version that will do all of that and more.


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I am going to answer this honestly but as gently as possible.

I am 5'7" tall AND wide. I have (b)long since given up all hope that I ever had about a career in the NBA.

I also swim like a cinder block, so the Olympic swimming medal is also out of reach.

"Almost no range and a voice that sounds like a death rattle" kind of seal a specific fate, do they not?

I now need to ask the question that typically starts weeks of dart throwing.

How much do you actually know about music? Do you know basic basics like the Circle of 5ths (why chords that relate to each other do so), intervals that make up chords, etc? Can you read and write music at all, at least well enough to write a melody on paper so you can pass it along to a singer? The concept of prosody where the cadence of the music aligns with the cadence of the lyric?

Point being, if you can't sing, you can't sing. I am in the same club. I have a range of an octave and a nasal voice that is not really pleasing to the ear. Yeah I DO sing, but by many accounts, I probably shouldn't. And in fact whenever I come up with a song I think has any potential at all I bring a singer in. The exception was when I released a CD of my own work and for it to be MY CD I had to sing it myself.

You are new here so I have no idea about your history, training, experience... Fill us in! The reason for that question is that to embark on a journey learning software that sings for you, you will likely also have to have some foundation to build from.

You have taken the first step, that being you admit that singing isn't your long suit and asked for suggestions.

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Originally Posted By: BLONG
What tools would you recommend for someone who has no vocal range and sounds like a death rattle? I just want to record demos. I've looked at some vocal software but the learning curve is probably longer than my life expectancy.

If by "vocal software" you mean synthetic voices like the Vocaloids, I use Emvoice instead of trying to sing myself. It's really very, very, very easy to use and would be great for demos, if you don't really need to nail a perfect articulation.

If you really don't want a robot demo, but you really don't want to sing, you can always make a secret robot demo and send it to an online service singer to make a human demo.

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Hopefully, I did not sound like I was being flip with my previous post.

I have seen great music instructors do marvelous things with students who thought they could not.

And, I have learning disabilities that make things a bit more of a challenge than most - reading right to left is really problematic at times.

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Sounds like a death rattle? Awesome!


Some of my favorite singers sound like that. Ever listened to any Tom Waits? Who would listen to that? Oh, wait, 2.5 million views.

If the lyrics are great and it's cool jazz (A BIAB specialty), you don't need to be able to sing and a death rattle is perfect. Plus you get to drink all day, professionally for a living, and date Rickie Lee Jones. You can't lose.


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One more. Again Tom Waits, who wrote the only song Bruce Springsteen has ever closed a concert with that wasn't his own, and regularly does: Jersey Girl. One of the best songs I have ever heard.

Check this out. Live with his band. No one is telling him he needs vocaloid. It's the song.


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Howlin' Wolf is another one.

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and of course Leonard Cohen. but are you sure you really can't sing? i know lots of people who say they can't but can make reasonable stab at it when they really try.

and if you have the 32 bit version of RealBand which is still bundled with BIAB 2022 if you play in a midi melody, the program can correct your pitch to match the melody using the helicon harmony plugin.

the 64 bit version works differently and as i'm not at my music pc i can't check if the same function is available but i know it doesn't have the helicon program.

so if you can correct the pitch the 'quality' of your voice is fine for demo purposes

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and while its not the same, page 270 of the 2022 BIAB manual says you can correct audio notes to the correct notes in the key of the song - doing automatically what melodyne does but without the same level of control.

so whereas the helicon plug in will follow a midi melody, i think if your pitch is badly off the BIAB process may correct your vocal to the 'wrong' in key note

give it a go - you may have a hit song if you can produce a demo!

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Another possibility would be to just not sing, and I am not being facetious.

Make your demo with a clear instrumental melody line (violin, clarinet, whatever) and provide lyrics.

Depending on the purpose and audience, that might be out of the question or the perfect solution.

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

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I decided to take a stab. Thanks!

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I appreciate your consideration!

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Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
Another possibility would be to just not sing, and I am not being facetious.


I agree with Mark. You may have a great song idea but an A&R guy may listen to 30 seconds of it at most, and if the singing is as bad as you are saying you sing he may just stop it immediately and not even give it those 30 seconds.

I have a feeling you may sing better than you think but have no confidence in your singing. I deal with the same thing. People who bought my CD generally said that the singing fits the songs. That's all an amateur can hope for.


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Interesting perspective. I'll try to get better first. Just posted song in showcase.

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I am laying down my vocal tracks today. I could not do it without isotope nectar and Melodyne. Check it out your audience will thank you.


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