As discussed before, I used to want to use direct output, but I encountered a new situation because I bought SONIBLE SMARTEQ3 and SMART LIMIT After BIAB output, drag and drop to DAW I found that each track would sound a lot better if I had SONIBLE SMART LIMIT on it. However, there is a problem, that is, the reverberation of the BIAB VST output band, the sound is also amplified by the limiter, especially on the DRUM, which makes the DRUM unpleasant. So, I would choose to check the Renger Dry mix so that DRUM has no reverb. However, I also want other instruments to have a little bit of reverb.
Regarding Normalize Renders, if checked, the output sound of BIAB VST will become louder. Then using the limiter doesn't require much adjustment. I have heard a saying that if Normalize Renders is not checked, the output sound is too low, and then the sound signal is amplified by the limiter, then the noise will also increase. So, is this the real situation?
Since my stereo is very ordinary, I can't hear these details.
The reason I'm talking about output settings again is because I bought a new plugin. This created a new problem with my production pipeline. I hope that through the discussion, I can see how everyone is doing it, and then let me find the right way that suits me best.
I export tracks from BIAB DRY and centred that way there's no reverb to deal with, no EQ to undo and I can pan as I wish in my DAW. I don't normalize as that raises the noise floor as well as the music. Limiters shouldn't be the main gain stage in your mixing. I suspect you need to read and understand what compressors & limiters do as MOST people are flummoxed by them both in comprehension terms. My your online translator has improved.
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I export tracks from BIAB DRY and centred that way there's no reverb to deal with, no EQ to undo and I can pan as I wish in my DAW. I don't normalize as that raises the noise floor as well as the music. Limiters shouldn't be the main gain stage in your mixing. I suspect you need to read and understand what compressors & limiters do as MOST people are flummoxed by them both in comprehension terms. My your online translator has improved.
HI~ I set it up according to what you said, and took a screenshot. Do you see it like this?
I don't normalize as that raises the noise floor as well as the music.
I am very incomprehensible here. Let me tell you.
Normalize Renders
I once read a passage that said roughly this: "If the sound obtained at the beginning is not large, and the sound is made louder by some methods later, the bottom noise will become louder."
Put the question back to the BIAB output.
If I don't check Normalize Renders, then the volume of BIAB output is very low. I use the limiter to make the sound louder. Does it make the noise louder?
If I tick Normalize Renders, the BIAB output volume itself is loud, so I don't need to use the limiter or use a little limiter, so the noise is not amplified or a little bit of noise, because I only use a little limiter .
But what you wrote is: "I don't normalize as that raises the noise floor as well as the music."
It has become, not standardized, the noise will become louder. These messages are contradictory and I don't know which one is right.
Question, how do you raise the level of a track without lifting the noise floor? If you gain stage it you lift the noise floor. If you amplify it you lift the noise floor. Amplifying by itself does not alter the signal to noise ratio. That was my understanding. How ever you lift the signal you lift the entire signal unless you are in someway altering the signal (say using filtering.)
The way to reduce noise floor is basically in the recording (make sure it is clean). Maybe gating but once again gating relies on a good level and a reasonable signal to noise ratio.
The main issue with normalisation is if there is a spike or really loud point in the track the track for the most part will not be at the level wanted. But if that occurs and you simply amplify the track by “XdB” you are also amplifying the spike by XdB. I use Normalisation usually to reduce the level of a track but it brings all tracks to the same starting point.
I’m here to learn,
Tony
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Question, how do you raise the level of a track without lifting the noise floor? If you gain stage it you lift the noise floor. If you amplify it you lift the noise floor. Amplifying by itself does not alter the signal to noise ratio. That was my understanding. How ever you lift the signal you lift the entire signal unless you are in someway altering the signal (say using filtering.)
The way to reduce noise floor is basically in the recording (make sure it is clean). Maybe gating but once again gating relies on a good level and a reasonable signal to noise ratio.
The main issue with normalisation is if there is a spike or really loud point in the track the track for the most part will not be at the level wanted. But if that occurs and you simply amplify the track by “XdB” you are also amplifying the spike by XdB. I use Normalisation usually to reduce the level of a track but it brings all tracks to the same starting point.
I’m here to learn,
Tony
In short, just don't check Normalize Renders. right?
and from a post in this forum 'However, there is a problem now that I have turned the total output volume into red in order to make the drum sound stand out, haha' seems there is still a bit of confusion about mixing
and from a post in this forum 'However, there is a problem now that I have turned the total output volume into red in order to make the drum sound stand out, haha' seems there is still a bit of confusion about mixing
or is it the translation bot again?
You can understand the meaning, I may not understand. I need to rearrange the question to find a definitive answer. So, I need to ask the question again. I believe every discussion is meaningful.
You can understand the meaning, I may not understand. I need to rearrange the question to find a definitive answer. So, I need to ask the question again. I believe every discussion is meaningful.
Let me ask this question. Do you explore 'output settings' from other music-related programs also?
I only ask this to learn if your expectations from BiaB are a basis on what are 'best output settings', or if you are comparing to the results of other music related programs.
I think the distinction is important.
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Very interesting that in today's happy modern floating-point world, you can boost a signal pretty much as high as you like, as you dance down the signal path, as long as you bring it back down before it turns to output. It makes sense when you think about it but it is counterintuitive.
i think the problem is that the OP has bought another plugin, used it and got a result he didn't like. buying new software and playing with it in such a way that produces a dud result suggests you shouldn't use it if you don't understand what it does.
i played in a band once when the bass player was what we called a 'gear freak'. his fascination was with new gear not the music.
OK, now both you guys have said "gain stage". This prompted me to google to see if that is a thing, and lo and behold, it is. I did not know. So I just read this article: https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/gain-staging-what-it-is-and-how-to-do-it.html Very interesting that in today's happy modern floating-point world, you can boost a signal pretty much as high as you like, as you dance down the signal path, as long as you bring it back down before it turns to output. It makes sense when you think about it but it is counterintuitive.
A pretty clear article Strangely, or not, due to the labelling of front panels on guitar amplifiers and on pedals, most guitarists think of gain as distortion provided by those things. The VARIABLE in the ROOM is that we don't know how much noise is in any particular Real Track etc. Sometimes they remind me of the Mellotron in that respect. Add the Guitar Gain misconception/milabelling to the confused nomenclature that abounds in these forums and we're ripe for a glossary. Whilst at risk of proving me entirely wrong on every point these videos go a LONG way to explain, clearly and accurately, as well as in context...
AND
Now Dan makes an excellent point about "clean" audio in his DAW not about the state of the imported material.
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