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There's hope for the younger generation yet.:)

Music always has the potential to be cross generational, and I think that's one of the many beauties of music for sure! My partner's dad who is nearly in his 70s loves Lady Gaga, as an example. On a drive up island one time he offered to let me control his spotify account which he had hooked up via bluetooth in his car, and he was pretty shocked when I searched up and put on a German rock music from his youth.

There's always going to be music that won't be to everyone's tastes (I'm not a fan of Lady Gaga), and I think truly that it boils down to personal taste and not actually one's generation that they belong to. Thematically speaking, there may be some lyrics that are more specific to certain generations, whether that's using music to comment on current events that kids born 20 years from then may not have context for, or even just generational ideals. But, overall, I think that themes such as love, adventure, heartbreak, wanderlust and much more are accessible to just about everyone and can resonate no matter when you were born.


That was very eloquently stated. I’ve listened many music styles from childhood in the 50’s when I would go to bed with an all night radio station though out my life. Your point about the commonality of themes crossing multiple genres is thought provoking and can serve to link seemingly disparate generations. We are sitting on the porch of a B&B looking at mountains as I type and the vibe of your post fits in very nicely. Thanks!

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I remember a time when I used to work all day as a mailman and then go to the bar and drink and dance until closing time.<...>


When I was younger and greedier than sane, I used to book two gigs on the same day if I got the chance.

An afternoon gig poolside, and another at a lounge in the evening. That included schlepping the gear too.

I now turn down a second gig on the same day.

I guess I'm less greedy and saner.

On non-gig-days I used to walk 4 miles a day for exercise, now I only walk 2.

I guess I'm getting lazy in my middle-age.

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When I was younger and greedier than sane, I used to book two gigs on the same day if I got the chance.


Notes, the Motown band I was in was in such demand that we worked a schedule most would not.

We played Thursday night as most bands here do. Then we did a 5pm Happy Hour show Friday, then a 10-2 Friday night. Saturday we did a 1pm show, then a 9-1 bar show. Sunday was the same doubleheader.

We had 2 PA systems and 3 guys who we taught to set it up. They would go to our storage, load the "night PA" into the back of the truck, and the "day PA" in front of it. They'd go to the early gig, set it up (we brought our stage gear other than my rack and the guitar amps which were in the truck) then beat feet to the night gig and set THAT PA up. Then they'd come back and as we drove to the night gig they tore down and loaded.

So we played 7 shows in 4 days, from May 1 through September 30. Monday we laid in bed and rested. I was in my early 40s then and could do such things. Now I don't play at all because I don't want to move gear. I don't need more money than I bring in, so why? To stuff a bank account full to leave for the state to steal when I die?

And THERE is my personal generation gap. Between my early 40s and my early 70s I traveled a LOT of hard roads... No more.

Musically, that generation gap is well bridged. People decorate with retro knick-knacks, wear retro clothing, and listen to retro music. No gap! Well, maybe Gap Mangione...


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I would definitely do two gigs per day if I had someone to set up our gear for us.

Mrs. Notes and I have neither roadies nor children to help us schlep.

Our typical gig is now 3 hours. We get to the gig 1.5 hours early. It takes an hour to set-up, and the half hour is a buffer in case a cable goes belly-up or something else needs to be fixed. This rarely happens, but if we don't allow time, that's when it will pop up. It takes us another hour to tear down. So on a 3-hour gig we spend 2.5 hours set-up and tear-down.

Add to that getting the gear in the minivan, getting to the gig, driving home, and bringing the gear back inside. I live in a safe neighborhood, I have electronic protection, and the chances of someone stealing gear from my van are slight, but if it happens, the penalty is great, so I never-ever leave the gear in the van. It comes in every night no matter how late I get in.

When setting up and tearing down I sometimes think "Why do I bring so many instruments? What should I leave home?"

But when I'm gigging I think, "I wish I had also brought the ______."

I love what I do, and schlepping heavy equipment gives me weight-bearing exercise without a gym membership. And the gig goes by way too quickly. Time flies when you are having fun.

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And with those long days that start and end with very physical work, the verb that hoes with this job is still "play". That used to make me SO angry when people would call me and ask "You playing tonight?" My standard answer was always "No. I am WORKING tonight, but I am not playing." They see that stage time and think that's all there is to it. Somehow missing all that physical work, the solo practice time, the band rehearsal time, the expense of buying gear, the expense and time to maintain it...

Though I dished it out too. I used to rag on one of the bartenders I was close to telling her "Oh geeze. You cut fruit, you open bottles and you wash glasses. And you call that WORK?" Knowing full well they got there at 5 and worked until 3, running back and forth the whole time.


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............ They see that stage time and think that's all there is to it. Somehow missing all that physical work, the solo practice time, the band rehearsal time, the expense of buying gear, the expense and time to maintain it...
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I auditioned a couple of so called musicians who thought the same thing. They didn't get in the band.


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I schlep gear, that's work.

I practice, that's not work, it's just prep time. When I figure things out and/or achieve a new skill, I get a feeling of accomplishment.

The cost of the gear is investment.

The time I spend on stage, making music for an appreciative audience, is definitely play time. It's the most fun I can have with my clothes on. For Mrs. Notes and I, it makes the schlepping, practicing, and investment worth it.

Of course, that's just us. YMMV

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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
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The time I spend on stage, making music for an appreciative audience, is definitely play time


"The only time that seems too short
Is the time that we get to play"

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I have been noting the fairly recent phenomenon of younger kids getting into classic music on different forums. I do maybe 10-12 gigs a year in Avalon on Catalina Island. It's a big time tourist attraction from spring to the Jazz fest in October. Cruise ships anchor just offshore and a fleet of water taxi's run people into Avalon. I'm in a classic rock band and I'll usually start things off with some funky jazz stuff then we start with the Doors, Joe Cocker, The Stones, Santana etc, etc.

The gigs are outdoors with people sitting, walking, whatever and it's all ages with a tilt towards younger. They love it. Everyone in the band has their "groupies" including me, the usually lonely keyboard player. Young people will hang around their favorite player and they seriously dig it, they're not just being polite, they really like the classic stuff. I did a gig a month ago at a nice restaurant in Marina Del Ray called Killer Shrimp with a very nice medium sized club adjacent to the restaurant part with leather couches and lounge chairs instead of bar tables and it had a dance floor. That band is different than the Catalina one, more classic soul music, Motown, War, Sly, Ohio Players, no Stones, Santana or Doors. Same thing though with young people, they loved that band as well.

Personally I'm loving it, it's giving me a whole new perspective and appreciation of young people who could be my grandchildren. I'm not talking about 40-50 year olds, more like 25-35. I've been watching what are called "Reaction" vids on YouTube where 20 somethings react to classic music they say they've never heard of before and unless they all are very good actors they are totally blown away with. It's not all rock either, it's Tom Jones, Pavoratti, Johnny Cash, Bobby Darrin, Elvis, a whole diverse plethora of singers and bands from the 50's onward. The Beatles are big with that bunch too. Those kids had no idea who any of these artists were and their reactions are fun to watch because for the most part they're very impressed. I think many of you would enjoy watching some of those. Just search YT for a singer or band with the word reaction and tons will come up.

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Just thinking out loud and only half serious here...

Could it be rebellion against the previous generation???

Not for any artistic reasons, but for the young people, rap/hip-hop is the music of their parent's generation.

After all, the first rap stars are old enough to go on Medicare now.

So is listening to grandparent's music a better alternative?

After all, it's the child's duty to rebel, and music is a safe thing to express that rebellion.

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Just thinking out loud and only half serious here...

Could it be rebellion against the previous generation???

Not for any artistic reasons, but for the young people, rap/hip-hop is the music of their parent's generation.

After all, the first rap stars are old enough to go on Medicare now.

So is listening to grandparent's music a better alternative?

After all, it's the child's duty to rebel, and music is a safe thing to express that rebellion.

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but for the young people, rap/hip-hop is the music of their parent's generation.

I think I'm going slightly off topic here, but I joined a local U3A group here, just to play more music, only to learn that mostly they played in retirement homes (OK) and that most of their music was, well, old and stale.

"But we're playing for retirement homes".

"Well, yes, but many retirees now will be fans of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, rather than of wartime songs."

I couldn't get any enthusiasm within me for the music, so I parted. C'est la vie.

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That was very eloquently stated. I’ve listened many music styles from childhood in the 50’s when I would go to bed with an all night radio station though out my life. Your point about the commonality of themes crossing multiple genres is thought provoking and can serve to link seemingly disparate generations. We are sitting on the porch of a B&B looking at mountains as I type and the vibe of your post fits in very nicely. Thanks!

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That was very kind of you to say, thank you so much! I hope that your B&B trip was lovely and revitalizing.


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That was very eloquently stated. I’ve listened many music styles from childhood in the 50’s when I would go to bed with an all night radio station though out my life. Your point about the commonality of themes crossing multiple genres is thought provoking and can serve to link seemingly disparate generations. We are sitting on the porch of a B&B looking at mountains as I type and the vibe of your post fits in very nicely. Thanks!

J&B

That was very kind of you to say, thank you so much! I hope that your B&B trip was lovely and revitalizing.


Thanks! We love hiking and mountain biking in new areas.
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PS Pardon my typos in the above … I was distracted by the surrounding beauty smile

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but for the young people, rap/hip-hop is the music of their parent's generation.

I think I'm going slightly off topic here, but I joined a local U3A group here, just to play more music, only to learn that mostly they played in retirement homes (OK) and that most of their music was, well, old and stale.

"But we're playing for retirement homes".

"Well, yes, but many retirees now will be fans of Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, rather than of wartime songs."

I couldn't get any enthusiasm within me for the music, so I parted. C'est la vie.

Part of what we do is play retirement homes.

Rarely we have even played "assisted living facilities".

And we mostly play for mixed audiences at a restaurant right on the public beach and a huge RV Resort. The clientele ranges from toddlers to the elderly, plus tourists from all over the world.

I don't agree with the old and stale - but to each their own. Old? Yes. Stale? That depends.

The oldest I listen to and enjoy is Beethoven. Add Dvorak, Suk, Tchaikovsky, Shostakovitch, Saint-Saëns, de Falla etc., and Zeppelin is new. laugh

I may be weird, but I just like listening and playing music from many eras and many genres. There are songs from just about every era that I like, and those that are written for other people.

I play music for a living, and I feel very lucky to make a living doing music and nothing but music. No wage-slave day-gig, no storefront business to own with employees to contend with, no waking up to an alarm clock every day, and no answering to any superior.

Playing music for a living involves playing what the audience in front of you today wants to hear. Whatever they want to hear is fun for me to play. The time on stage is when I'm truly alive, and the gig is always over way too soon.

We collect requests from our audience. If something gets requested enough by the general audience, or if something gets requested by a frequent audience member, and if we can cover it (we're multi-talented but can't do everything) we'll learn it. I don't care if it's from Al Jolson or Bruno Mars.

There are things I don't want to play and there are things we cannot cover as a duo. Examples: Heavy Metal - I'm not that good a guitarist, sax (the instrument I'm best at) is out of place in that genre, and we don't have amplification that will play that loud. Rap, is another. I can't talk that fast, and don't consider it music. Poetry to a beat is definitely an art form, and I have nothing against it, but as a musician who specializes in melodic instruments, I have no place in that world.

Fortunately, there are enough other genres to keep me working.

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Thanks! We love hiking and mountain biking in new areas.
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PS Pardon my typos in the above … I was distracted by the surrounding beauty smile

No need to apologize at all, I would be distracted to!

While we're here, what's some music you feel crosses the generational divide well? I'd love to hear your thoughts! That goes for anyone that would happen to run across this too.

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Personally I'm loving it, it's giving me a whole new perspective and appreciation of young people who could be my grandchildren. I'm not talking about 40-50 year olds, more like 25-35.

I fall into this age bracket, and I'm just about to resume working with my vocal coach to hopefully start working towards singing opera. Baby steps though! But on that note, I just saw Don Giovanni last week, actually. I used to feel like a bit of an outlier going to the opera because it was very easy to see that generation gap. But after two years of the local opera society being suspended for in-person performances, I don't know where they came from, but I saw mostly people my own age or younger dressed to the nines to see Don Giovanni. If nothing else, I think that people my age are really open to all sorts of genres and forms of musical performances, from the experimental all the way to the absolute classics. And for the most part, all the opera singers performing tend to be around my age as well.


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as a duo playing with BIAB generated backing tracks until recently, we found that 60s music went down well with just about any age group. not that we didn't get requests for more recent stuff but no really unhappy listeners.

however, years ago playing with an acoustic band at an old people's home we were a little unhappy that when they saw the guitars they all took their hearing aids out................

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