Do others have the same issue after generating a song on Reaper/ Windows 11 ?
The plugin is very convenient for Reaper , but it crashes randomly just after the generation
Loading it in a separate process as Reaper permits avoid crashing the daw (as the plugin is loaded inside the reaper_host64.exe wrapper , only reaper_host64.exe crashes) , but still it is annoying to have to reload the plugin after the crash of reaper_host64.exe
Btw , I am using the VST2 version as VST3 does not send midi program change to my synt vsti, but I have the same issue with the VST3 version.
Also , I have tried another daw (vsthost) with the same issue.
Welcome to the forum and to Band-in-a-Box. If you would like to help PG Music resolve the issue, there are several text file logs you can copy and post in the forum.
Use Notepad to create a blank text file. Save the blank file under the name "PreserveAllFiles.txt. Move the PreserveAllFiles.txt file to the BBPlugin directory at \bb\BBPlugin\PreserveAllFiles.txt.
The blank file instructs the plugin to keep all temporary input-output files. These files normally are generated on the fly then discarded. This allows you to look and copy them.
Some of the temporary files include: BBoutput.txt RBResults.txt BBInput.txt BBSong.txt
There are two locations where you may find useful information regarding crashes. They include: \bb\Data\bbw4_PlugInLog.txt. Backend Errors messages can appear here. Backend is communication between the main Band-in-a-Box program and the plugin. \bb\Data\bbw4_64exe_FlashMessageLog.txt Flash messages are the yellow and green pop up messages that briefly appear. The Flash message file will show some error messages.
When reaper locks up, in the Task Manager you can right click reaper.exe > Create Dump file then zip it up and post in the reaper forum and they maybe able to tell you what's wrong.
You can try it in KV Element in Reaper load element as a vst3 plugin then drag and drop the BBPlugin into it, hook the in/out up then click the EXT top left to sync it.
I can not create a dump file using the Task manager as the process does not lock but die
The Windows Event Viewer mentions several files but I can not find them found errors are : 0xc0000374 , 0xc000041d , 0xc0000005 in modules "ntdll.dll" or "Band-in-a-Box DAW VST Plugin.dll"
This issue is very random , sometimes the crash happens at the first generation or after a few generations , but not always
BTW , I have the same issue with another daw (VstHost)
The plugins depend on the main Band-in-a-Box program to regenerate tracks. The bbw4_64.exe app you mentioned runs in the background as needed to provide a communication path between the plugin and the Band-in-a-Box program.
It seems that unckecking "sync" during song generation does the trick (both in Reaper and VstHost)
If checked , error happens again
(Why ? ...)
Oh, the sync button. Why didn't you mention that earlier. I think you have reinvented the wheel. I have not seen that problem in a long time. See my setup.
My point gegu was this is unforturnately old news to many of us. I set my configuration to avoid this trap. You ask why? Because even well into its 3rd year this application is a bit of a work in progress. It can work fine and do what nothing else can do, but you have to know what not to do.
Oh, the sync button. Why didn't you mention that earlier. I think you have reinvented the wheel. I have not seen that problem in a long time.
The somewhat glib response points to a glaring issue with BIAB..."old hands" find & share solutions and the program isn't modified to resolve them as there's insufficient "call" to do so.
Newer users are left with the task of problem identification & solution finding or asking for help in the forum as the search engine for such issues is, at best, hopeless.
If the wheel isn't known it will, eventually, be (re)invented.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Thank you for the feedback gegu! As far as I am aware, there has never been an issue regarding the sync button causing a crash while generating, so this is not old news to me.
In order to help determine the cause of the crash, I will need you to provide me with the following files: 1. C:\Users\Public\Ticket\BBPluginDebug.txt 2. bb\BBPlugin\SavedTracks\BBInput.txt 3. bb\BBPlugin\SavedTracks\BBOutput.txt 4. bb\BBPlugin\SavedTracks\BBSong.txt
*Note that files 2, 3, and 4 require the presence of this text file: "bb\BBPlugin\PreserveAllFiles.txt". All of the files should be acquired immediately after the crash.
Could you also provide me with a saved song file (.sgu) as well as the exact steps you took to reproduce this crash? This should include details like which style/other tracks are loaded and any other information that may affect the way the song is generated.
If you have a screen recording program (like OBS which is free), it would be great if you could share a video of your screen leading up to a crash. This is often the easiest way for me to determine what the cause of the crash is.
You can upload all this information here or email me directly at aguy@pgmusic.com. I will do everything I can to help you resolve this issue!
Here is the video recording of "follow that cab" generation with "sync" checked, using vsthost64 daw and the VST2 plugin (VST3 plugin , reaper daw crash too) :
Well here I am being all glib again. There was so much wrong with that video it is hard to discribe. That is not the way the program is supposed to behave. Five minutes I will never get back again. But if Adar puts his eyes on it that is your best bet for getting it straightened out.
By the way, did you try my configurations for Reaper? Cause I see you have the Audio outs all messed up (IMO) which can be fixed in the configuration settings. I really do hope Adar can point you in the right direction.
Gegu, what version of Reaper? I don't have to go through much effort to load PG Music BIAB onto a track. It won't have any impact but you should synch the tempos. Have you checked the folder generated files are saved to? It may be going beyond it's nominated size...probably won't help either but worth checking. That was a lot of regenerating...I don't do any changes or regenerations within Reaper as I feel much more comfortable doing the grunt work in the main BIAb prog...but I understand it was to get you to the crash point. Don't worry about negativity - it's the change to Lake Michigan water that has seen the rise & rise of the curmudgeon estate.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Reaper version is 6.57 , but the problem exists also with another daw (Vsthost) , on two computers running Windows 11 (maybe this OS is more tricky about certain errors ?) ,and it can happen at the FIRST generation too.
Syncing the tempo before generating song does not help
I have checked disk space on both computers , it is OK
I have taken care to restart the computer before testing (but not always)
I am using the BIAB plugin as it permits to generate songs then play them without putting them on tracks (by just hiting the "play" button") , and I am using Reaperfor the jamtaba plugin (playing guitar on the internet live with an backing track fed directly by the BIAB plugin)
.. I am using the BIAB plugin as it permits to generate songs then play them without putting them on tracks (by just hiting the "play" button") , and I am using Reaper for the jamtaba plugin (playing guitar on the internet live with an backing track fed directly by the BIAB plugin)
You can try it with Rewire, you don't have to use the Reaper script with it. Just load the RewireVST into Biab then select Reaper.
after a while I upgraded my BIAB 2022 with latest VST only to realize it is crashing my cubase 12 pro not loading songs which are saved in standalone BIAB??
after a while I upgraded my BIAB 2022 with latest VST only to realize it is crashing my cubase 12 pro not loading songs which are saved in standalone BIAB??
It's best to start a new post detailing your specific issue. Piling one report on top of another means your report may not get the attention it deserves.
Check out +++ THIS +++ post and +++ THIS +++ post for suggestions about log files you can attach to your post that will help Adar, the main plugin developer, identify and fix the issue.
..You can try it in KV Element in Reaper load element as a vst3 plugin then drag and drop the BBPlugin into it, hook the in/out up then click the EXT top left to sync it.
VSTHost is old that's why I suggested trying in Element as this fixed all the crash problems I was having in Reaper, so I think it is worth a try. You can also try https://jstuff.wordpress.com/pluginflipflop/
Vsthost is a standalone like Reaper , I tried it to see if the issue is only with Reaper
Btw , with Reaper , I have tried a minimal project with only one track containing the BIAB plugin , same issue Another test was with Coyote VST (1.0.0.1) instead of VstSyntFont64 , same issue
Fwiw, the most common error encountered is heap corruption in the BIAB plugin
Would it be worth generating a song with only audio tracks (assuming that the synth vsti would be loaded but not used in this case ...) ?
The easy solution obviously would be to reinstall Windows... It seems that your problems mainly concern your own configuration. Otherwise we can continue to write pages for years with everything that does not wor
FYI I'm on Win11 and I use Biab Plugin in Reaper, and really no problem, even after 10 generations. If it does under your 2 WIN11s, actually very weird. Look at disk access rights or driver updates?
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