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Are you guys by any chance talking about taking a line out from a hardware amp modeler? Like a line 6 or something?
Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
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$2500 or so
Hp pavilion with a ryzen 7 and 16gb ram
Adam t8vs
30 foot xlr's
Biab
Primacoustic London 8 kit
Plus other stuff I've yet to want lol
I have some diy treatments I made I'll turn into corner bass traps and some kind of isolation thing for my twin reverb
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For the last couple of months I've been stuck with builders in & around the house so haven't been able to mic my amp.
As a result I've used an Amp in a Box pedal...the Joyo ACTONE. It has a reasonable sound and running the output from that into a DI box & then into my interface gives a good signal and less noise...I need the DI between them as there's a lot of RF & EM interference at my place - the balanced out of the DI being key to managing this.
In Reaper I use cabinet responses created by a friend who did the hard yards with his Marshall 4 x 12s, (he has four different ones - each with different speakers), and a variety of mics.
Using the cab response gives a far, far better tone and deals with most of the FIZZ that AmpBoxes and Sims generate. (I know there are plenty of "good" amp sims out there but none that please me & the gear to get great ones like AVEFXII & such are wayyyyyyy to expensive).
When I can I much prefer to mic my amp using an e609 & a 57 - blending them is all the EQ needed.
Line out should be LINE LEVEL as opposed to headphone out and works with most consumer grade gear - particularly if you know which buttons to push on your interface.
Direct Input means what it says - however if you use a DI box then you're not exactly direct as you're doing something to the signal on the way in (bringing it to the level expected by a unit). The fact that most interfaces have, and have had for decades, dedicated circuits for direct guitar input as well as mic etc. renders any pontification about the DI process moot at the very least.
Beatles DIing was to overdrive the preamp circuit & get a clipped signal so it was DI but not as we know it nor as we could afford to do it.
Most folk use something to change the guitar's tone on the way in unless they're going for a completely dry, clean signal to reamp or to run through VSTs in the box.
If one uses a preamp box, (whether in an amp.modeller or similar), before the DI box or interface then one is still, in the functional and historical term, going D.I., just using an external preamp because the signal isn't going in through a microphone or midi.
Last edited by rayc; 07/25/22 11:03 PM.
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Line outs sound like crap.
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Byron Dickens It works for me and sounds really nice, so maybe you're doing it wrong.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 07/27/22 05:59 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Thanks GH
I've recorded many different players like this successfully (not just myself) with various amps, including bass amps, so it's nice to have someone else validate the suggestion. I mean, I already knew the 'Line Outs sound like crap' remark was an arbitrary statement but don't have the energy for the discourse.
It can actually be better than micing it for some scenarios (including available equipment and engineer's abilities), and many times much easier.
One thing to consider is whether the amp is going to disconnect the cabinet if Line Out is plugged in .. some do, but even then, that's usually OK when recording.
To confuse things even more there can be a mislabeling of the output where instead of an actual 'line out' for recording, it was designed to route the sound to a different external cabinet so recording that may indeed sound like crap.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It was just a suggestion
To answer Byron's latest question and clarify -
No, we are not talking about a line out from an amp modeler (at least I wasn't)
Amp modelers work fine also, but I was talking about an actual line out from an amp (not one meant for an external cabinet, but a legitimate line out) .. see above
Last edited by rharv; 07/27/22 12:16 PM.
Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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A lot of the computers out there are going to have much more than what is necessary for Band-in-a-Box to run. You can always check out our minimum requirements page, but as a personal opinion I do find that Band-in-a-Box works best with at least 8GB of RAM. My work computer has 8GB of RAM which isn't a whole lot by today's standards, but I've never had an issue with BIAB. I wouldn't go under 8GB of RAM even if you can technically get away with less based on our minimum requirements.
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Just finished setting up 80% of my setup and wow this program is awesome
Jazz beast mode activated!!
Hope you guys won't get tired of my future post
And thanks again!!
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