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I have had BIAB less than a month and I am using it to create some backing tracks for songs that my wife and I will sing at the local senior center.
I basically am a bass player with some acoustic guitar rhythm playing skills.
Here's the question.
I have a couple of songs where the bass line that is played with the style and chords that are input is not accurate. I tried to adjust the notes in the Notation Edit page, but when I play it back, it is still the original notes that BIAB originally selected.
Any advice is appreciated.
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Ah, here we go. I knew this would happen sooner or later.  Welcome to the wonderful world of playable real tracks. There is good news and bad news. The good news is you CAN do this if you select a track that has a corresponding playable real track. You then have to make sure you put notation into editable mode. Then you have to change the notes and save it (using playable real tracks.) The "bad news" is this is not straightforward and it is hard to find a single, simple guide to walk you through it. Since this is not exactly straightforward I have asked that someone develop a manual or portion of a guide to show EXACTLY how you do this, step by step, and skipping no steps, with screenshots, and arrows pointing to places you you should go. Something that a normal human being might understand. I have not seen it yet. This video is the best so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dggX5xStv3ABUT, there are a lot of complexities in the process not fully covered. What we need is a guide from the very beginning steps, and all of the tools, and all of the intermediary steps, and all of the track locations, and we do not have it. It leaves some people confused. We need a playable real tracks for dummies manual, in other words, or people are not going to use this wonderful tool, and that would be sad. Plus the notation tool itself could use some upgrading. It is a little clunky. Good luck. Maybe someone will use this post to have one developed by a friendly user. Then we will all be saved. I will wait while you wait. Welcome to the forum!!!
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A simpler option is to use MIDI tracks, but they don't sound as natural as RealTracks.
Another option might be to change the chords you define to try to avoid the 'wrong notes', though with RealTracks it does depend upon how the musician played the chord. You might find, for example, that changing the plain chord to a slash chord will better suit what you want.
On the "Track Setting and Actions" dialog, there are some options how BiaB should interpret play, e.g., "Simpler" or "Bluesy", which may be worth a try. Page 31/32 of the manual.
"Natural Arrangement" might also help. What it interprets as "natural" may be good or bad depending on the song. Try both on and off. (p67)
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
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I have encountered this mismatch of chords and other such things in the past. It can be a pain when everything else is perfect in the song. But generally, it is an easy fix.
I'm lazy when it comes to using the midi tracks or the editable stuff. So... my go to solution is one or the other of these:
1. First, I will simply do a regenerate of the entire song and let it rework everything. I believe you can also regenerate a single track as well as a section of the track. I simply regenerate the entire thing. With real tracks, it will basically start from scratch and regenerate everything.
2. Second.... if I like what the other tracks are doing and it's just a single or even multiple glitch on a single track.... I will do as I normally do and that is to export the tracks to my DAW for mixing and adding live instruments. Obviously, the mismatch/mistake also gets exported. However, in the DAW, I will use Melodyne to move the offending notes to what they should be and print it to the track. Waaa Laaa... fixt it.
For me, both or either of these are easier and quicker than trying to do anything else. I guess it all depends on what you have, what you know, and how comfortable you are working with that. For me, Melodyne Editor is super easy and quick to fix notes in that manner.
EDIT: I have, on a number of occasions, used MIDI to play the bass, piano, and drum parts, either in full or to fix or add a few things to a track.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 08/22/22 03:54 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I arrived at the same point by way of a little different route. I had some melodies written out on paper, transferred to staffs on music notation Crescendo by NCH. I aimed to get the chord progressions which would be then entered into the Band in a Box grid.
The solution I came to was to open a blank grand staff and enter the bass lines either as a whole note or two half notes. This came at a time I was replacing Crescendo with open source "MuseScore" which has worked out.
What's left for me is to see what might already be available in Band in a Box that would supplement the dedicated music notation software.
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I would enter the bass line I wanted on the Soloist track, which is MIDI and will not be overwritten when the song regenerates. Then mute the ‘normal’ bass track.
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I would enter the bass line I wanted on the Soloist track, which is MIDI and will not be overwritten when the song regenerates. Then mute the ‘normal’ bass track. Something to be aware of here is that bass MIDI has an octave offset. I believe you may need to open Preferences->Channels and set the Melody channel to have the same octave offset as the Bass channel (-1).
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
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I would enter the bass line I wanted on the Soloist track, which is MIDI and will not be overwritten when the song regenerates. Then mute the ‘normal’ bass track. That. Being a bassist in a former life, I’m never pleased with the lines that BIAB generates anyway. Easier to roll my own.
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