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a low 30 buk linux pc ? arm cpu check it out. i wonder if biab would run on it. lol. 'tings are getting interesting'... crazy low price…. https://www.inovato.com/page down page for SPECS and 'looky' at the ports. surprised me…wowser. i wonder if someone will code a daw for it...lol. happiness om
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i wonder if biab would run on it. lol. Quite possibly as it's been run on a raspberryPi: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=690351&Searchpage=1&Main=93896&Words=raspberry&Search=true#Post690351 I'm increasingly using raspberryPis for jobs for which I would previously have used a mini-ITX machine. The Pi is cheaper and uses less energy. I have my mini-ITX-based BackupPC here for a rebuild at the moment and I've been wondering if I dare commit such a critical task to a $50 (or $30) computer plus $100 4TB USB-hdd.
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/interruption if I may
Can I hijack this a trifle and ask you who use Linux if you can recommend using Linux on an older laptop PC by booting from a USB stick? I've seen several references recently to the instructions to do this, primarily as a way to try Linux. I did that, maybe 15 years ago, but had no reason to continue. Now, with an aging laptop, I do, since I expect the performance of the equipment would be better. Thanks.
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Matt. 1. how old is the laptop ?. i suggest you google 'best lite linux distro old laptop'. lots of choice. or 'usb stick linux distro' eg puppy linux. 2. a linux distro that caught my eye recently is ZORIN OS....info here. https://zorin.com/os/page down re reviveing old pc's. every happiness om
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Thanks! 8 years old hardware, a good Toshiba Satellite. However, I installed a new SSD boot drive two years ago and installed Windows 10. The small amount of RAM (4 Gb) limits the effectiveness after Windows loads.
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Matt. with this linux thing i think often the only thing to do is dive in and try a few distros. i would definetely try zorin,,maybe puppy too or lubantu. but i defer to gordon on linux. OR the tech in you might find the following os intrigueing done in asm. v small footprint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MenuetOSbut not linux. read the reviews of it. lotsa fun. i just find it v interesting. been around a looong time. best mate. om
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/interruption if I may
Can I hijack this a trifle and ask you who use Linux if you can recommend using Linux on an older laptop PC by booting from a USB stick? I've seen several references recently to the instructions to do this, primarily as a way to try Linux. I did that, maybe 15 years ago, but had no reason to continue. Now, with an aging laptop, I do, since I expect the performance of the equipment would be better. Thanks.
/end of interruption An 8 year old laptop should be just fine for most Linux systems. Linux tends not to drop support for old hardware and 8 years is by no means old yet ... middle aged. I've only ever used the USB-stick try out arrangements very temporarily and some are unable to save data on the stick, though all should allow data to be stored on an existing hard drive. You may have to 'mount' the hard drive to do that, though often it'll just appear on the desktop and you can open it normally. There are several popular distributions around. Most will offer try on USB, install alongside existing, replace existing, roll your own custom installation. Most or possibly all are based upon Debian Linux, the 'stable' of which is about as mature and stable as you'll find, but it tends to evolve slowly. Derivatives are often more appropriate. There are several "best Linux Distros" pages around, but the choices become overwhelming. They'll all do everyday stuff like web, mail office, etc.. An increasing number of distributions offer a "long term support" bundle, that changes slower than the front line edition. To be honest, though, most I've used have been very well behaved in recent years. Most hardware is supported. Ubuntu is well established looks rather Mac-like to my eyes, there are variants xubuntu or kubuntu which have different desktop styles as a default. I've used xubuntu for a long time. Arch Linux has been around for some time and is popular. Mint Linux ditto. One that might be interesting is AV-Linux is now based on MX-Linux and customised for audio-visual work. It comes with a good stable low-latency core and a bunch or AV-related applications, all of which work well together. A particular aspect of this one is that Glen who manages it is careful to ensure that things like Wine support are stable for music ... Wine elsewise still sometimes has some issues. I've recently changed from xubuntu to AVL:MXE for my office platform. https://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/https://itsfoss.com/best-linux-distributions/
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i'm as geeky as the next bloke , but 'i'm curious what to use linux for..cos i have an old i5 laptop here. the reason I'm asking is because the 100 bucky chromebook I picked up already does soooo much. also gordon whaddya think bout dam small linux. distro ? this is a tech company i'm watching right now…mini pc new. https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-it11-mini-pc/ie 11 gen i7/i5 … they also do ..celerons. <<<celerons poor single thread passmark for music . best om
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i'm as geeky as the next bloke , but 'i'm curious what to use linux for..cos i have an old i5 laptop here. the reason I'm asking is because the 100 bucky chromebook I picked up already does soooo much. also gordon whaddya think bout dam small linux. distro ? this is a tech company i'm watching right now…mini pc new. https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-it11-mini-pc/ie 11 gen i7/i5 … they also do ..celerons. <<<celerons poor single thread passmark for music . best om My fastest machine here at the moment is the i5-750 that I'm on right now. My music PC and my notepad are both Celeron series, not core-i series. The notepad is fine with Linux, though can struggle a bit with PianoTeq, which is CPU intensive. They all have the usual domestic stuff like web browsers, office suites, email, various graphics tools, various video tools, various audio tools. I use my office machine for development work with multiple IDEs for different languages/targets (I'm mostly an embedded developer). The only thing I can think of off-hand that I need to use Windows for is my PCB CAD and in truth, I haven't tried that recently in Wine on Linux. Oh ... I have a USB sniffer that is Windows only, but I haven't used that for ages. Most installations are painless. The install process identifies all the hardware and installs modules, if required, to suit. There are post installation tools to install the many applications that are freely available. To be frank, there are probably thousands of them now, many free but enterprise grade, some not so great. I make donations for quite a bit that I use as people put their own time and effort into making them. There are commercial applications, too, and I'm more than happy to pay for them and use them when appropriate. My main IDE is commercial (and around $1500), though these days and for many jobs, the open-source Eclipse is nearly as good and support a great many targets. I mostly use ARM. I have Linux native commercial version of Reaper, Mixbus, Renoise, Traktion, PianoTeq, Transcribe!, maybe others. Video editors are a little fragile still, but a friend who's a retired profession video editor says he likes Olive. In the past I used to spend some time investigating whether hardware was Linux supported. These days I rarely do, as most is. Firewire support is a bit hit-and-miss. That is worth checking if you use it. What's not so easy to explain is the stuff that's on Linux that isn't on Windows. though an awful lot of good Linux stuff has been ported across now (Ardour, for example). The thing to remember is that Linux is different from Windows and packages like LibreOffice (ported to ages ago Windows), for example, is different from Microsoft Office, so there's a bit of a learning curve. On Linux, you're more likely to be advised to use the command-line for some jobs. Very often the command to use are given in the examples. Just cut and paste, though the familiar Ctrl-X/Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V aren't available on the command line, so one has to use menu->Edit->Cut and so on. They work in most GUIs.
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@Matt - Years ago when I was taking Linux Administration courses for work they had supplied all students with the Red Hat Linux OS. It's their version of Windows and is a nice visual interface if you like that better than command line. I haven't kept up with that OS lately but I had always used it on older machines that I had no need for. There was really no issue on those older machines, kind of like running BIAB on them.
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Thanks, Gordon and Steve. I remember when Red Hat was the popular version. When I first looked at Linux it resembled Unix from my DEC experience .
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ALL.
The problem I have with some linux distros is they are SO BIG.
I want a small nimble low resource useage distro that runs music production software. eg puppy or damn small linux.
ie a small one to run… eg ardour, reaper, bitwig, waveform, audacity etc etc. if i wish.
to name a few.
its been slow coming but finally it looks like there is more music software for linux coming out.it looks like finally Linux is becoming interesting.
(if only bb and rb ran on it..sigh…lol.)
please tell me what you all think of that zorin distro i linked to upthread.
looks v nice dont ya think or am i wrong ?
(ps..thanks for supporting my flac wish…Gordon and Matt,)
best
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Regarding the Quadra & BIAB + DAW...
From their description:
"...can be used as a server or light-use desktop..."
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The problem I have with some linux distros is they are SO BIG.
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(if only bb and rb ran on it..sigh…lol.)
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Linux distributions do tend to bundle quite a bit of "stuff" that one doesn't necessarily need. Much of it can be uninstalled if that's your wish. What had you in mind as not big? I have both BiaB and RealBand running on Linux, though there are a few issues, mostly around the lack of Windows Media Player and a few minor issues relating to dialog boxes. The AVL:MXE distribution that I'm using for music is around a 4GB image, though again it does come bundled with quite a lot of toys. Glen makes no apology for the size as it includes much or even all of what one needs to produce music, including demos of some commercial packages. In this day and age, frankly I don't really see 4GB as big ... quite a few sample libraries are bigger than that. The reason I like AVL:MXE is that it always seems to work as one would like. Most Linux distributions are not geared to music as most users don't do music production, so music critical stuff sometimes gets broken. Glen who produces AVL:MXE weorks very hard at avoiding those breaks, to the extent that only recently has he moved from customised real-time kernels to generic low-latency kernels. He's also careful to use lightweight windowing systems to keep the load off the CPU. If I can remember the name, there was a music-oriented lightweight distribution some years back. It had mostly a number, not a name. Sub 1GB. For non-music work there are quite a few small-footprint choices, e.g.': https://linuxhint.com/smallest-linux-distributions/Puppy Linux has been around for years, so must have a decent following. For most things I do, I simply don't worry about the size. 2TB of hard drive is < $100. Even 1TB of SSD isn't much different.
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Gordon.
wonderful info. thanks so much. your a prince mate.
if i ever get back to blighty i'll buy you a few pints lol.
i really like the idea of a low latency kernel obviously.
the way i figure it is if the baby os Menuet can do it …a small footprint AND a gui ....
why cant a linux distro ??. maybe its cos menuet is coded in asm rather than C/C++ ?
sometime check out the size of menuet ..its tiny size is brilliant for an os.
i was hoping for a linux distro under 2 gigs.
if you would bear with me…...when you load reaper linux version ..under the x at top right hand side what latency does reaps report in millisecs ?
i wonder if my audient audio interface would work in linux.
i love it for its v low latency and its not given me one prob ever in a years use.
i WAS gonna use the audient as a stop gap while i saved for a higher end interface like rme…or a uad but audients been soo blinkin' brilliant i might not bother..ive recorded sooo many audio traks with it flawlessly in reaps and no probs in biab…so i'm a fan.
also i read recently where a person…i think on gearspace preferred the audient mic pre's over rme…thus i'm in the proverbial quandary….lol. i just dont want to make a change and everything goes 'pear shaped'...lol.
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the way i figure it is if the baby os Menuet can do it …a small footprint AND a gui ....
why cant a linux distro ??. maybe its cos menuet is coded in asm rather than C/C++ ?
sometime check out the size of menuet ..its tiny size is brilliant for an os.
One of the reasons for the size of most Linux distributions is that they include a huge number of drivers and the like, and also many options that people may use. As an example, my fileserver has the Apache2 web-server on it and that includes many/most of the loadable modules for all sorts of things, but uses symbolic links from an 'enabled' directory to the modules to "turn them on". If they didn't do that, then the instruction to set up the many functions Apache2 can do would have to "first download and install the following..." I'm not convinced these days by "coded in assembler". A good C compiler will do a pretty comparable, sometimes better, better job of optimising the machine code for most things. More likely a smaller size is more a reflection of omitting things. That's absolutely fine unless one wants those things. Horses for courses. As Menuet nails it colours to "not within Unix or Posix standards..." you may find you're limited to what they offer, or you'll have some significant work porting applications to it. i was hoping for a linux distro under 2 gigs. I'm curious why that matters to you. The smallest USB flash drive from Curry's is 16GB. I can get 256GB for ~$30 just down the road. https://sourceforge.net/projects/flashlinux/ Claims to run from a 256MB USB drive. if you would bear with me…...when you load reaper linux version ..under the x at top right hand side what latency does reaps report in millisecs ? Bear in mind that this is an old-ish PC. It's reporting ~11/34ms. Conky, the resource monitor that's bundled with AVL:MXE reports that it's using about 2% CPU whilst idle. Reaper is now available Linux-native. i wonder if my audient audio interface would work in linux.
i love it for its v low latency and its not given me one prob ever in a years use. If it's USB class complient, then it certainly should. If it has non-compliant features, like built in mixers or audio processing, then it may lose those features. A brief look around suggests that some Audient interfaces may not be class compliant (why not?) and some "work perfectly". Which device? BTW, I think this is one place where a runable USB version is handy ... it'll likely let you know if the device you have works properly. i WAS gonna use the audient as a stop gap while i saved... If you're happy with it, assuming it does work well with Linux, why change?
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1..linux
you make good points but i just wish i could find a linux distro for music production without all the other 'faff' like net browser/office stuff etc etc as my studio never sees the 'net'.
i use other devices for the net.
my studio currently runs win10 of course and i only run the combo of bb//rb//reaps. done 90 songs with the combo.
but all the other win 'stuff' i never use so its wasted on me.
maybe i'm an 'old codger'...lol. cos i coded in the days
when we had competitions tween coders to see who could do the most features useing least computer resources..which is the way i was originally taught.
i'm a stickler for setting a project studio up right , as a result i get no probs from win or the music apps i run.
yep i know reaps runs on linux.
2..my interface audient.
the evo 4 i run is usb class compliant , with obviously some feature extensions not covered by the usb spec..but so do lots of interfaces mate.
i seem to remember vaguely the evo 8 however might have had probs on ipad IOS whereas the evo 4 didnt ?
i have to say for me the evo runs flawlessly and is a 'champ'.
dont matter anyway , if i get probs with linux i'll just rent a new interface from my local gear store like a motu m4 or a uad arrow ...
till i find one that works well with linux. and keep the evo on the pc.
happiness.
om
ps did you check out zorin linux os ?
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In this day and age, frankly I don't really see 4GB as big ...
Yep, whilst I do think wistfully of w95 running on 8meg and a hard drive being less than a gig and still getting heaps done or even running Cakewalk ProAudio3 on a 286 with an INCA breakout box, I know that high resolution often means high quality and I'm keen for that. I also recall having a 14meg thumb drive given to me as a tease from a hardware company...it was the ant's pants at the time and carried a couple or three Word documents happily. I still have a 128meg MP3 player stashed away somewhere. BUT I have portable drives, (bought my 1st 100gig one for $100), thumb drives all over the place and use multi gig internet transfers all the time plus use a wonderful D.A.P. that gives great sound quality playback of FLAC, 24 bit wav etc. Oddly enough I'm collaborating with an old friend co writer who insists on sending me his parts as MP3s...he's stuck in a mind set that he can't seem to shake.
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1..linux
you make good points but i just wish i could find a linux distro for music production without all the other 'faff' like net browser/office stuff etc etc as my studio never sees the 'net'.
i use other devices for the net. It isn't the same, of course, but it's pretty easy to remove all the stuff you don't, though if you have it and don't use it it does nothing except take up a little hard drive space. You may want to be on the 'Net at install time, as it will collect stuff from online if necessary, though it's fairly likely it'll need nothing. Some 'standard' stuff gets included simply because most people use it. For that stuff, the quickest way is on the command like and looks like: sudo apt remove firefox thunderbird libreoffice chromium ... give it your password when asked and it'll remove them all. It'll not fight back like MS does with Edge and removing most applications like that is unlikely to break anything. If command line doesn't suit, there are GUI apps, e.g. Synaptic, that allow searches and have check-boxes. Users call. You can also go through the list and see what's installed/recommended and add/remove things then. To give you an idea how far you can go with that, there's nothing that says Linux has to have a desktop environment. In the past, most of my infrastructure machines have been 'headless' as typically I administer them over an SSH login using command line only. Incidentally, most or all Linux systems will pop up a dialog when there are updates asking whether to update now or remind you later. If/when you do the updates and (fairly rarely) a reboot is advised, it'll offer Reboot Now or not ... reboot when you're ready. None of the dirty Windows trick of popping up in the background and then rebooting without our say-so. my studio currently runs win10 of course and i only run the combo of bb//rb//reaps. done 90 songs with the combo.
but all the other win 'stuff' i never use so its wasted on me.
maybe i'm an 'old codger'...lol. cos i coded in the days
when we had competitions tween coders to see who could do the most features useing least computer resources..which is the way i was originally taught. My approach to both hardware and software was to get the job done as well as I could. If that meant a faster processor and more memory, then that's what I did unless the on-cost would be greater than the time saved. If I had to get down and dirty with assembler and registers, that that also is what I did. In my last job, I did all of that alone. I did around 70% of the development work. The other 30% was done by five other people. Do it right, do it efficiently, do it well, don't close doors unless you have to. There are many different ways to optimise ... that's why computer teaching loves sorting and prime numbers ... lots of possibilities. i'm a stickler for setting a project studio up right , as a result i get no probs from win or the music apps i run. That's why I run AVL:MXE ... iit's already optimised for audio and generally it works as one would like. There are a bunch of multimedia apps that you might choose to remove. Video editors, for example. the evo 4 i run is usb class compliant , with obviously some feature extensions not covered by the usb spec..but so do lots of interfaces mate. From +++ here +++ So this is my contribution on this piece of hardware: based on my personal experience, you should be fine with making it work on Linux, as long as you plug it once on a Windows computer and update its firmware using the software provided by the manufacturer. ps did you check out zorin linux os ? Not yet ... I'm spending much of my time up ladders at the moment, sanding and painting. I'll try to remember to have a look, but as all distributions differ a little, I try to stay with one when I can. At present I have two (well, three including Raspbian).
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX?
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him.
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. If so, why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX? I spent a lot of years working in UNIX and am pretty familiar with it but I have little interest in the hobbyist aspects of personal computing. I want my boxes running applications with minimal problems. I am nowhere near affluent but Price has never been my motivator. Time spent fiddling about making drivers and such work is time not spent getting work done that makes my living.
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Mike (all). RE ..you said 'why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX?' let me answer that…as follows. there are lots of poor people in the world who would like to realise their dream of producing a song idea they had. but due to the cost of different hardware/software platforms they cant. so in my book its exciting when low cost platforms come out. like the PI and Innovato etc etc. particularly as there is NOW quite a lot of decent production software for linux…eg……check out ardour sometime. https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/frankly i find it all exciting. let me explain why. altho' i was born in the UK, my early childhood was spent in Africa with my parents. (i had a very interesting childhood ) many people on these forums can afford a nice recording 2k rig. but many people in africa and other countries just cant. i feel its exciting if inexpensive products provide the capability for poor people to produce their songs. in summary imho these are exciting times. it used to be only the 'big boys' could afford 'the toys'. if biab and realband worked on the PI for example i would be over the moon. Some companies like Reaper and Waveform already work on the PI. maybe they see a market ?? happiness om
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. Gordon has five or six posts in this thread if you wish to private message or contact him. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. If so, why all this time spent discussing some $30 ARM device that runs LINUX? I spent a lot of years working in UNIX and am pretty familiar with it but I have little interest in the hobbyist aspects of personal computing. I want my boxes running applications with minimal problems. I am nowhere near affluent but Price has never been my motivator. Time spent fiddling about making drivers and such work is time not spent getting work done that makes my living. Where is the "like" button?
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? Yes, I am, as also is pipeline. It's imperfect and there's a bit of fiddling to do, but it runs pretty well.
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? User Gordon Scott mentioned (above): I have both BiaB and RealBand running on Linux, though there are a few issues, mostly around the lack of Windows Media Player and a few minor issues relating to dialog boxes.
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It's understandable that people don't read through everything if they don't have a direct interest in the subject.
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Gordon.
a question ...how well does reaps run in linux ??
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...how well does reaps run in linux ?? It seems good to me, but I'm not sure how to evaluate that. I could set up a project and compare between Linux with Windows, but I'm not wholly sure what to compare. It was well-received ages back when it ran only under wine. Your Reaper license allows you to download and install any version: Win/Mac/Linux. I did spend a while looking around for comparisons, mostly in the Reaper fora, but there was little recent and meaningful. People seem to be happy; a few claimed faster on Linux, but no real recent data; several people pleased to get away from disruptions due to Win10's updates system. FWIW I can't recall any Windows VSTs that I have that have not worked on Linux via yabridge, though I don't have that many. Yabridge is a wrapper that puts the VST inside a Linux library shim, so new VSTs need "introducing" to yabridge. Once set up that's pretty painless. Some of the downloader+installer programs need bypassing ... Kontakt's downloader fails to install some things, but probably only because it doesn't know how to mount .iso files in Linux. There's a slightly fiddly way to do that with them ... an extra step that isn't normally needed. Similarly PGM's downloader application doesn't install, but I just download the files and install them manually. Hmm ... I've just gone to download the latest version of Reaper ... I'm not sure how I feel about installing version 6.66 
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Forum member Gordon Scott tested Band-in-a-Box for Windows on Linux. The main issue Gordon encountered is the Windows version relies on the Windows Media Player for some audio playback functions such as midi chord audio playback to preview a chord while in the Chordbuilder window. I’m reading that answer as “not successfully”. [/quote] It's understandable that people don't read through everything if they don't have a direct interest in the subject. Which does include me.... Yes, successfully, apart from a minor issue of not being able to audition styles using the built-in demos, which don't play. But then I find the built-in demos less useful than trying with my own chord progressions anyway, so that barely bothers me. For me, as I work almost entirely on Linux for almost everything I do, that's a very small price to pay for not having to reboot into Windows to use BiaB. Others will see that differently. I've never used the ChordBuilder window, so can't comment ... Hmmm (noises off) OK, I have now and can confirm that the chord builder doesn't play.
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Gordon.
thanks for the reaper info. nice !
wait for the lucky 7's version maybe .
call it the reaper vegas casino version...lol.
SO…all we need now is biab to work properly under linux with no issues and that would make me happy and get me away from win. if rb worked also ..big bonus.
thanks also for the handling of vst's info.
i guess the pg dx plug ins i like cant be used in linux ?
have you ever tried running rb in linux ?
the more i look at it , would seem that the AVlinux distro might be the way to go.
yep i'm aware of the reaps licence cross platform, and yet another reason (of many) i like reaps. and i have a proper reaps licence of course.
happiness....and thanks again.
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have you ever tried running rb in linux ? I've just tried it a bit, but I don't normally use RealBand, so don't know what I'm doing. Two early observations, though: 1) It seems to find only two of the DXi/VSTi synths I have ... CoyoteWT and Kontakt. BiaB finds also Reaktor 6, sforzando, VSTSynthFont64 and EZdrummer. (Neither find the Linux-native VSTs, which I guess is unsurprising. Linux-native Reaper finds them all, of course) 2) At a first try, I have a style apparently playing, but I get no readings on the master volume level meters and no sound. That may well be just because I don't know what I'm doing, or it may be indicative of a problem. FYI, looking through the VST instruments that Reaper finds, I see both VST2 and VST3 versions of Scaler 2, which is a Windows VSTi that neither BiaB nor RB found, so there's something fishy about their VST handling. If find EZBass and EZKeys, but both are expired trials, so perhaps BiaB/RB not showing them is smart. I may try to explore things more later.
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Gordon. thanks for the info . very good of you. ..have you tried ardour in linux ? it looks very nice plus plug in support. looks like its come a long way. i'm impressed. https://ardour.org/…this week ive been checking out mini pc's that run both win and linux. eg.. https://www.amazon.ca/Fanless-Windows-HUNSN-4USB3-0-4USB2-0/dp/B07GPR4DYR?th=1lots of ports on above (8 usb). so could run external m2/nvme in an external enclosure i guess. ideally i want one that has 2 x internal m2/nvme ssd. ideally fanless or low noise so no pick up from mics. ..btw when one is running biab in linux does the. stylepicker come up ok as well as the rt and rd pickers ? all i would need actually is the rt//rd choice in the bb chord view and the ability to... (after laying out my chords in chord view) replace existing rt//rd's in chord view using the pickers. ie testing out in chord view how various rt's//rd's might work in a song. ..oops forgot to ask , can one use the ultrapak shipped drive work over usb without install on the internal drive ? ps one thing i like bout rb is right clik over a trak and get many generating options. does this work in linux ? best. om
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..have you tried ardour in linux ? it looks very nice plus plug in support.
looks like its come a long way. i'm impressed. Ardour and I believe Audacity came from Linux-based projects and have over time migrated to the other platforms. Ardour is the DAW on which Harrison Consoles base their Mixbus and Mixbus32, and Harrison have long been major contributors to Ardour's progress. I used Ardour at the start, but now mostly use Reaper or Mixbus, sometimes my Ui24R hardware mixer. Ardour is very popular, both with the free-software guys and those that are comfortable with paying. I'm in the latter group. I'll often make donations for the free stuff, too. …this week ive been checking out mini pc's that run both win and linux A client of my R&D work has been using the base "LattePanda V1" for a year or so now. They used to use a PC104 board and Win95-embedded, but are now moving Win10 https://www.lattepanda.com/..oops forgot to ask , can one use the ultrapak shipped drive work over usb without install on the internal drive ? : Because of the lack of a working Windows Media Player, running on Linux requires all the RealTracks to be WAV files. That means that the Audiophile edition should probably run OK from the USB drive, but a non-audiophile edition needs the .WMA files expanded to .WAV, and they'll end up as around 1.7TB of data. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't run on a 2TB USB drive. IIRC I did that for a while before deciding to get an extra SATA drive for BiaB, which drive I formatted to NTFS so that both Linux and Windows can use it. Linux is fine with NTFS, but Windows doesn't understand ext4, which is the usual disc format for Linux. I have found that rebuilding the databases in Wine+Linux causes the Win10 copy to ask for a rebuild and vice versa. I'm not sure why ... some file age test somewhere, I guess. I imagine the same would happen if one used a dual-boot Win10 and Win11 machine. If it's a file thing, I can 'touch' the date; if it's Windows registry, I'll leave well alone.
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Great info as always Gordon. I have no need to experiment again at this time with Linux, but for those reading who do, I thought I might clarify a few points.
Gordon’s mention of expanding WMA BIAB files to WAV can be done by a utility in Options, RealTracks. I think there is similar in RealDrums. As he said, the resulting file size is huge, as it expands by a factor of around 11, so you need a 2 TB drive to do this. Plus, the WMA files are all still there. Also, just because they are WAV files doesn’t make them audiophile quality; they are just the same compressed quality sound as before (which, I admit, isn’t bad in most cases; for more about that, real my sticky article in Tips and Tricks).
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Thanks Matt.
All correct.
FWIW, I used the program ffmpeg on Linux to expand the files as I can then do the whole lot in one command and just leave it to get on with it. Probably I should create a Makefile or a smarter script to manage that process, so that it only expands files that aren't already expanded. I'm fairly sure PGM use libffmpeg internally to do similar.
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... I'm fairly sure PGM use libffmpeg internally to do similar. Good question.
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They definitely use it; here as a .dll bb/Data/DownloadManager/ffmpeg.dll bb/Data/InstallManager/ffmpeg.dll and also appear to reference it within most bbw*.exe files (INSTR_FFMPEG), though that's using just a crude string search within the .exe files. PGM could be doing all manner of things with it. ffmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter that can also grab from a live audio/video source. It can also convert between arbitrary sample rates and resize video on the fly with a high quality polyphase filter.
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Thanks for looking under the hood.
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Gordon. i'm curious. you said you moved from ardour to reaps. what aspects of reaps do you like over ardour ? i was an early user of reaps , and have been a big fan. just curious. yep harrison nice consoles…big lad stuff. some of these mini pc prices are getting crazylow for what they are.. pretty soon if the trend continues pg could give one away with paks installed. i saw a review of a new beelink today for a tad over 200 buks …but has a celeron. but the m2 transfer read//write speeds were nice and way more than needed i'm sure to run bb and rb i'm sure. pity it dont have at least a i3 12300 level processor. <<more i read bout such i'm impressed, particular the single thread passmark over 3k which is way better than most older music production pc's that many people are using..crikey i once did load of songs using powertraks on a blinkin athlon. check these industrial pc's out.. https://www.onlogic.com/computers/industrial/fanless/helix-500-600/lots of neat stuff coming out. best om
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i'm curious. you said you moved from ardour to reaps.
what aspects of reaps do you like over ardour ? I moved from Ardour to Mixbus as at the time Mixbus had some features I wanted that Ardour didn't have ... i can't now remember what. I'd liked the style of Reaper for some time, but wasn't then going to go down the Wine path ... for a long time, Wine had too many gotchas. It's now mostly remarkably good. I eventually changed to Reaper after it went Linux-native and at a time when Mixbus had become rather temperamental. I think it's stable again now. yep harrison nice consoles…big lad stuff. Mixbus is software and pretty reasonable. We're talking $150 dollars rather than thousands. Mixmus32 is around $400. (they both show UKP for me). Those are neat! 12V power, so they have an external power brick to go with what you see.
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Matt/Gordon/All.
(i'm sure gordon knows lots of this stuff, but some people perusing these forums might find it interesting. ) Hmm ... first things first ... I don't go out of my way to to keep up with what's happening in linux audio, or indeed in most of the areas I have worked over the years. Electronics and software just move too fast to try to cover everything. I know lots of stuff about radio systems, but only a little of that is still useful. i thought that a distro with a low latency kernel is very important…logically…
for music production. but a recent linux post i saw from a linux user/tech suggested that
actually this is not necessarily true…so i'm confused gordon. I think as things get quicker and quicker, kernel latency becomes less of an issue. No so long ago, a real-time kernel was re-riguer for audio, now it's less often used. Real-time kernels have their own issues. I suspect that a low-latency kernel is still of benefit, but it must be pretty marginal by now. I can get ping times over Ethernet within my home network well below 1ms. That's a low-latency kernel on this machine to my hub and (old) printer. I get sub 2ms over thew WiFi link to my auto-backup machine, which is an old ITX board with an Ethernet/WiFi adaptor. Older class USB interfaces can't do better that 2ms, but newer ones can. Many years ago I was introduced to "Bernstein's Law": "It ain't necessarily so". I try to keep it almost constantly in mind, because it applies to so much we read, hear, and think we know. There's good advice here, though there are many ways to do things. On older laptop I had to turn off WiFi to get consistent performance ... on my newer one (around 2012, I suspect), I don't. Setting CPU to "performance" helps to avoid speed changes due to economy modes or heat, though if heat is an issue, deal with that directly. I try to have enough RAM that the PC doesn't even try to swap ... swapping costs time and also makes things inconsistent. My swap at present is zero, but I'm uncertain if it's feasible to get a history ... this is only a 8GM memory machine, but my new machine will probably be 32GB. To be honest, I think many of the things suggested are mostly relevant if things aren't already fast enough. The things to balance mostly are latency against XRUNs, the latter indicate a failure to service a request on time. Often you can see XRUNs before you can hear there's a problem. note i saw some people on reaps forum seem to be getting low 2.5 ms latency using linux… using a behr umc interface.... Some people just enjoy the process of tweaking. If it were me I wouldn't expect, or likely wouldn't even try, to get that low ... sub 10ms is enough for most purposes. And life is short. There are several items in the 'non' toolset. It'll have moved on some from when I last used it and I'm not sure if I ever tried the DAW. The session-manager is interesting, though there are many ways to do things. I just used a start-up script on my previous system, which used to set up six desktops with various applications opened on specific desktops, so I could jump very quickly between mixer, DAW, qjackctl + patch-panel + a synthesiser, file manager, pdf-reader and so on. A DAW on a Raspberry Pi would be quite interesting and impressive, and someone here ran BiaB in an ARM-based Win-11 on one too, but just because it can be done doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. There's horsepower aplenty on a PC, significantly less on a Raspberry Pi.
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Gordon.
thanks for your comments….includeing kernel…etc
i'm trying not to be reaper biased as i'm a reaps win user…but would you say reaps is the best solution on linux and PI ? based on your experiences. ?
anything better than reaps ?
i'm hoping the next iteration of PI will be more powerful.
cos of my concern re plug ins resource usage.
the PI at least is dirt cheap , so worst case not a big loss if things dont work out.
i also have a 5 yr old i5 laptop here ..to try linux with. 2.5ghz. cpu. its been a champ.
i WAS gonna gonna jump into a new desktop for daw work eg there are decent deals on various dell desktops eg xps…but as there are exciting things happenin re usb 4…
(i think usb 4 is gonna be 60gps...wowser.)
and a newer pcie 5 and 6 with new processors intel 13th generation and amd zen i'm sorta on the fence. super duper speed increases are coming…sigh... yep i know gotta jump in at some point. .
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om
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(i think usb 4 is gonna be 60gps...wowser.) It's 40, same as Thunderbolt 3 but does not need to be certified by Intel which means that you are at the mercy of whatever components are being used. This is already an issue as many are finding out. Thunderbolt is rock solid by comparison. Thunderbolt 4 allows multiple TB3 devices on one port through a hub or daisy-chain and brings other TB3 features to Windows. So called "thunderbolt compatible" is a marketing term and means nothing. USB 4.1 is expected to be 80Gb/s but the spec is just now being proposed. It's not expected to be finished till mid-'23 and nothing will likely ship before 2024.
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i'm trying not to be reaper biased as i'm a reaps win user…but would you say reaps is the best solution on linux and PI ? based on your experiences. ?
anything better than reaps ? The quickest route from one place to another is the route you know best. All DAWs and much software generally moves on, overtake and are then overtaken, or they fade away. These things take time and effort to learn. I tend to stay with what I use today until I see an imperative to change to something else. For most things I do in life, I have a collection of tools that I can apply to the needs of the day and each appropriate for a different class of task. As a design engineer, every job I did was at least partially new ... the very least change would be to reduce costs or improve performance. There are only so many new things I can learn at any one time. Similar is true of BiaB and DAWs and sequencers. They're all quite complex, so whilst change can be good and important, change for its own sake can be bad. Never be afraid of change, but also judge carefully the value of any change. i'm hoping the next iteration of PI will be more powerful.
cos of my concern re plug ins resource usage.
the PI at least is dirt cheap , so worst case not a big loss if things dont work out.
i also have a 5 yr old i5 laptop here ..to try linux with. 2.5ghz. cpu. its been a champ. I'm really impressed with what Raspberry Pi's can do but they don't have the horsepower of proper PC. Don't forget either, that they're an ARM processor, not an x86 derivative. Do try one if it appeals, but don't be surprised if you find it doesn't perform as well as you'd hoped. My most powerful machine is a five-years-old i5, though it's slightly faster at 3GHz. i WAS gonna gonna jump into a new desktop for daw work eg there are decent deals on various dell desktops eg xps…but as there are exciting things happenin re usb 4…
(i think usb 4 is gonna be 60gps...wowser.)
and a newer pcie 5 and 6 with new processors intel 13th generation and amd zen i'm sorta on the fence. super duper speed increases are coming…sigh... yep i know gotta jump in at some point. . There will be a still faster set of parts just over the horizon. In my electronics trade stuff, I've recently been seeing a lot about 6G cellular and WiFi 7. I'll not wait; they'll be expensive and patchy at initial release anyway. Here's a thing ... in the past I've tended to buy at the lower end of the top quartile, which is where I reckon the best bang-for-buck tends to lie. I'm now looking rather lower than that because to get into that top quartile now means using the 'turbo' range of the main processors and that means heat and noise. I'm still planning i5-11 for my new machine as it'll run close to silent, but will still have plenty of performance. Also, with energy costs here skyrocketing, a lower energy machine makes more economic sense. I look at some of the gaming machines and the "I get 150fps" posts. Impressive. It's just a shame our eyes are incapable of seeing that rate.
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Gordon. goodness your good. all excellent points. yep i always have stayed behind the tech curve. its just gear lust often for more processing power…lol…but of course the cost is the increased heat due to that higher power (due to the laws of physics ). … as well as the money cost. some of these processor prices are getting silly….especially as tech gets rapidly obsolete. one of my brilliant uk physics profs had a great saying ive remembered all my life… 'a problem (bulge) pops out on the surface of a balloon in one area..and you think as a tech/engr youve been very very smart in solving THAT…only for the problem to pop out (bulge)..in another part of the balloon ' ! …we have 5ghz processors…but there are negatives. this is why i think the i3 12300 is a nice compromise for music production… cheap and powerful…unless one goes 'bonkers;' on resource heavy plug ins. (one reason i love reaps is the resource stats built in.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rNcqZJ0RLEThe narrator is from the UK . i figured if intel lost biz due to the apple silicon there would be a response from intel with lower cost processors…eg i3 12300…and i'm betting there will be more interesting lower cost processors coming from amd too. Mike. much as with my tech background i like the 'm' range silicon processors. (and i laud apple for this strategic step) i wanna see how they handle thermals/laws of physics etc as they move up in processing power. eg m3//m4//m4// etc etc i'd love a 'cheesegrater' but i cant afford one due to family commitments. the mini needs more ports/upgradeability. best om
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this is why i think the i3 12300 is a nice compromise for music production…
cheap and powerful…unless one goes 'bonkers;' on resource heavy plug ins.
(one reason i love reaps is the resource stats built in.) I wrote a longer reply, but allowed Firefox to reboot in the middle and lost it. Doh! The i3-12300 and my candidate i5-11600 compare reasonably closely on PassMark. Perhaps the arbiter might be that the i3-12300 is socket 1700, while the 10s and 11s are socket 1200, which perhaps approaching end-of-life. That said, my local supplier lists 37 socket-1200 CPUs against 19 socket-1700 CPUs, so the old dog certainly isn't yet dead.
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i too like the i5 option. good one.
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Gordon’s point on hardware requirements is spot on. BIAB doesn’t require that much horsepower. If buying something new, the ability to Win11 or the latest MacOS on Apple Silicon is a must but one can find adequate used machines for a couple hundred bucks.
I, too, avoid heat and noise. Noisy, hot gaming PCs hold no interest for me. Besides my Mac, if a monitor runs warm to the touch, it’s gone—those made in the last 4 years or so are all extremely energy efficient so this is no longer an issue.
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i agree. if people are using low resource useage plug ins.
but if a user loada up on each bb trak fancy shmancy plug ins ie resource hogs, things can go pear shaped lol
particularly as biab gets more n' more daw features.
i only use low resource plugs in bb but some new users might not...who dont know bout possible implications.
and thus if they are useing some old 'clunker hand me down computer' probs can occur.
some music production users love their fav plug ins (some might be big resource hogs..which is why i test any plug to determine if its a resource hog.)
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? A year later, that's what I'm looking for.
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So, amid all this yak yak yak, is anyone actually running BIAB over LINUX? A year later, that's what I'm looking for. I did for the best part of a year, with a few niggles, but after a Linux upgrade it wasn't working properly and I decided the effort was better spent elsewhere. Short answer, it isn't just a plug-and-go exercise with BIAB; many VSTs have been pretty much plug-and-go, though recent "installation managers" seem to be less happy to play. I work on Linux most of the time, sice then I've been using BIAB much less. I have this year's Audiophile upgrade but haven yet even to installed it. I expect I shall sometime soon when I'm not too busy on other things to run Windows again.
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