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Bass Thumper didn't like it when I chose to ignore his comment to me on this thread so he decided to start harassing me using the forum message board.
Since I'm putting him on ignore he may not see my response to his message so here is my only reply to his harassment;
BT, You really are a pompous a*s who is too simple minded to recognize when someone is generously using hyperbole. I don't have the patience to explain it to someone who is slow to catch on so I'm not going to bother.
Back off a*shole!
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Bass Thumper didn't like it when I chose to ignore his comment to me on this thread so he decided to start harassing me using the forum message board.
Since I'm putting him on ignore he may not see my response to his message so here is my only reply to his harassment;
BT, You really are a pompous a*s who is too simple minded to recognize when someone is generously using hyperbole. I don't have the patience to explain it to someone who is slow to catch on so I'm not going to bother.
Back off a*shole!
My, my, my flatpicker, calm down, get a grip and eat a prune. No need for profanity here at all. Like BiaB, this forum is high-class. Here’s a radical idea for you. How about welcoming drummers and percussionists rather than being hostile toward them?? I will repeat, they are every bit as valuable as anyone else in the band and your comments were immature and juvenile. Might drummers be under-represented here because of yours and similar postings? Do tell. Who else do you disdain? And does your disdain reach to Brian Fullen, Wayne Killius and other world-class musicians associated with BiaB or just non-professionals?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Obviously you didn't catch the part about "Back off a*shole!" Wow. What a snowflake. You must have a really tough time in life if you think Bass Thumper's response to you is harassment.
Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs
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Spoken like true Texan. The are many forms of harassment. One of them is continuing to try to engage someone after they've told you to back off. Another is when you don't like that someone ignored your insult on a thread and then you contact them by a forum message to insult them some more.
Last edited by bobcflatpicker; 11/30/22 03:05 PM.
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You know that's a compliment, right? After all, this is the land of real men; down here if you want to dish it out you better be able to take it. Snowflakes don't last long.
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We have always had a saying. If you don't got a bottom you don't got a band. That means that the drummer and the bass player are joined at the hip and are in fact the most important component of a band. This is all relative to popular music, rock, blues, country, and so on. Some forms of music do not use drums.
The idea that drummers are not involved in the construction of songs is simply inaccurate.
I have worked with Greg Bissonette many times in the studio to write songs and he was always giving input into the process. There is a large amount of communication with the drummer to develop a song.
Professional drummers can be given written music to play just like any other instrument.
Do you think the drummers who play for a symphony orchestra just play whatever they feel like?...lol
To the original question, I assume there are drummers who use BIAB. Perhaps they use the software like many of us use it to play other instruments and have no need for the BIAB drum tracks. Perhaps they use BIAB to get an idea about styles they are not well versed with.
I know of a few drummers who own BIAB.
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Do you think the drummers who play for a symphony orchestra just play whatever they feel like? And stay in time with all those bows???
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After all, this is the land of real men Yes it is Byron. The land of great big belt buckles and little bitty p*****. LOL And where, unlike West Virginia, we don't have to go to family reunions to meet women.
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I would think that if you're a drummer that you would realize that your number one goal is to sit down, shut up and wait until someone asks you to do something.
And I'm not joking. The above quote is not held by the vast majority of folks at this forum. To my knowledge this immature position is held by just a single individual and sadly, as he states, he is "not joking". You drummers are valued, appreciated and are just as important as anyone else in the band. Some here have described you as the heart of the band. I agree. I would also describe you as the engine room and the fuel that powers everything else. You are not 2nd-class citizens in any way, shape, or form. BiaB is a wonderfully powerful tool for you to explore and produce backing tracks and I'm sure the vast majority of us here would enjoy listening to what you produce. Rather than being intimidated by the ignorance of one or maybe two people, showcase your percussive skills and grow with the rest of us. To all professional drummers who have contributed to the RealDrums and other elements of BiaB:To you I say thank you, you guys are fantastic! I know you can't be intimidated by ignorance because you have credentials, accomplishment and stature, so I know you will keep doing what you do. BiaB would not be what it is without your talents, professionalism, energy, skill and brain power. Moreover, rock, pop, country, jazz, latin, reggae and many other genres would not exist without people like you that have rhythm in their bones and timing in their brains. Ignore the ignorance.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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The OP asked a question I guess I never really considered before. I think it's a pretty great question too. I can throw a few theories out, but my guess is as good as anyone's.
From what I've seen, they may be too busy delivering pizzas to have time to write. j/k of course.
For the discussion at hand, I will be speaking of drummers. Not necessarily percussionists.
I know plenty of drummers who know how to read charts and sheet music, and especially the Nashville number system. That being said, I know MANY more drummers who do NOT know how to read any of those systems. Couple that with many not knowing music theory and something as simple as knowing what a key is and how it works adds to the intimidation.
A different idea also plays into the above but is different would be arranging and orchestration. I've seen a good number of posts over the years that have asked how to go about programming drums or how to edit real drums to fit their song better. It's hard for many to think like a drummer. The reverse is also true. Many times drummers know basic structures of songs but don't know what exactly an instrument would do. Sure, they get that there is a guitar solo coming up, it's happening, and it's over. But how to assemble a guitar solo themselves is a daunting task.
There are definitely members of the forum who appreciate drummers and the work they do. There are some who don't. It's all good. We are all entitled to our opinions. My personal opinion is they should be expressed in a way that supports our fellow forum members and encourages them along the path.
I know for myself, I love the tool. It helps me in ways I would be able to create on my own. Sure BIAB has it's limits but so does my bank account. This has been by far for me the easiest way to put out music in an affordable way.
As far as posting, I haven't posted many songs at all. I have, however, written hundreds of pieces that help support my family through the years. I'm not able to post them, because I have sold them. Once sold they become the property of the person/company that paid me to write something for them.
I wasn't sure where to add this; but on a good number of productions I've done; the real drums were great for me. I didn't have to mess with recording anything. RD's did a great job and made production fast.
So, I'm fairly certain my post probably just muddied the water a bit more.
-Chad
Producer, Song Writer, Drummer
(Although I'm on the forum pretty much daily to listen to the showcase, this is my first post in about 8 months. Mostly because I don't like proof-reading after the fact. I use speech to text, so I'm certain there are errors. So be it. It's not the place I want to spend my time being a perfectionist.)
Chad (Hope that makes it easier)
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Hey Chad,
So you're a successful Producer, Song Writer and Drummer . . . more power to you man. I could tell you're a pro before I got to the end of your post. There is a lot of experience in your thoughts. Can you share any work you’ve done? I was introduced to Brazilian Jazz by asking Matt Finley this very question . . . great stuff!
So imagine that you and a bunch of other studio cats are putting the final touches on a bridge in the studio and in walks bobcflatpicker and points to you or whoever is on the kit as says “realize that your number one goal is to sit down, shut up and wait until someone asks you to do something.” I wonder what the reaction in the room would be.
I’m sure you already know this but for drummers who don’t here is one way to use BiaB to produce a bare-bones backing track without knowing anything about chord progressions.
1. Open BiaB
2. Select a style and tempo you like
3. Hit Melody then hit Generate Soundtrack
4. Enter in the desired song duration
5. Click “Generate Song Now”; it should play thru your speakers
6. If you don’t like the generated song hit “Generate Song Now” again until you do
7. When happy hit “Stop” and close the Generate Soundtrack window
8. Mute the drums and any other instrument you want muted
9. Hit File then Save Special then Export as .MP3
10. Choose a folder and filename and hit Save. You now produced a backing track and it’s sitting on your hard drive.
11. Play this backing track while recording yourself playing drums and/or percussion
12. Share your work on SoundCloud or other platform or just send it to your buddies
Of course there are several options and refinements that can be done at each step but this can get you started.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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