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My opinion FWIW is that changing an entire vocal to that degree is going to be noticeable to most reasonably serious music folks. Were it a harmony part then not so noticeable and perhaps not at all. Caveat: I’ve created a couple of low harmonies but have never pitch shifted a lead vocal to any degree - but the ones that I’ve heard have sounded artificial. And some folks like that sound.

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Yes, Bud, you're right.
Result sounds artificial, indeed.

But, for my purposes, I could reach a way to do what I was trying to do, at first.

And I'll confess what is it. grin

I like to hear and sing some songs together with my wife.
And some songs are higher than the comfort of my vocal range.
If I only down the pitch, timbre seems to come from another singer, from the music I'm hearing. Very weird.
Adjusting it, to higher, it goes back to what it was before.


I'm satisfied with results I could get, by now.
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Originally Posted By: Gabarito
Originally Posted By: rayc
I did some more experimenting today and downloaded a bundle of isolated vocals from the internet then set each useful one,

I loaded both versions into Melodyne and could see little differences between them.
As I could see, they sounds at the same tone.

I doubt that a visual in Melodyne will tell you much about the change in timbre.
Remember that Melodyne & other tuners reduce the vocal to a manageable size, (some sort of trickery with how low & high it places steep filters), to do their magic...effectively they are lossy processes.
Use your ears, experiment.
You're trying to do something that's, realistically, not likely to work.
You've been given that advise and some tools, in my case freebies, to address some of the issue.
Do you really think you've the experience to know Spec match isn't going to work for you after a quick go and a VISUAL cross check in Melodyne?
Changes can be subtle or aggressive, productive or destructive. I've been playing with it for a couple of hours and know that it can improve my voice - I want it to be subtle and I want to find the right profile for the right song. I'll keep looking & trying.
I suppose I should have added the caveats YMMV/YRMV.
Mate, if you want one click solutions you're in the wrong hobby/field.

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Originally Posted By: rayc

You're trying to do something that's, realistically, not likely to work.

As I've already said before, I do know that it doesn't become realistic:
Originally Posted By: Gabarito

Yes, Bud, you're right.
Result sounds artificial, indeed.

As I've said before, it has already worked. I'm not worry about realistic sound:
Originally Posted By: Gabarito

But, for my purposes, I could reach a way to do what I was trying to do, at first.

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You've been given that advise and some tools, in my case freebies, to address some of the issue.
Do you really think you've the experience to know Spec match isn't going to work for you after a quick go and a VISUAL cross check in Melodyne?

Thank you for your suggestions.

As I said since the beginning, I'm a complete newbie.
I'm not judging Spectrum Matcher.
Originally Posted By: Gabarito

For a big newbie as I am, it's a little complicated to analyze this sort of stuff, at first view.

Where did you read that I'm a experienced guy to give sentences about Spectrum Matcher?
I'm arriving right now, I'm asking for advice from you gurus.
I couldn't understand Spectrum Matcher and I've gave it up.
I found another solution that has satisfied what I was looking for.
Originally Posted By: Gabarito

I downloaded Reaper and had installed JSFX Spectrum Matcher plugin, as you had guided. I never used that program/plugin before.
For a big newbie as I am, it's a little complicated to analyze this sort of stuff, at first view.
But I will try to understand its main concepts.

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Mate, if you want one click solutions you're in the wrong hobby/field.

I ask to disagree.
I could find an one click solution and I'm fully satisfied with it.
Of course, it won't prevent me to explore more and learn much more this wonderful field.

Thank you, rayc, for all your comments.
All of them helped me along this thread.

Merry Christmas.

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I've used melodyne editor for quite a while. It's really good and transparent on moving pitch a step or less. Beyond two steps, you have to go to the formant tool in many cases.

It is also dependant on the pitch of the voice and whether that voice is upfront as a soloest or a background singer.

Personally, I haven't used the format tool much since I generally get really close to the note. However, on the few occasions I experimented using melodyne to create harmony tracks, using the format tool and attempting to get the vocals to sound natural was an exercise in frustration.

I'm not saying it can't be done or you can't change the vocal timbre so it sounds good or like someone else is singing, but it's going to take time to get it right and once again, the less you move the note from it's original pitch, the easier it's going to be to get it sounding right.

That's been my experience.


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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
The less you move the note from it's original pitch, the easier it's going to be to get it sounding right.

All you need to know about Melodyne right there...... Track it the best possible on the original recording....




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The less you move the note from it's original pitch, the easier it's going to be to get it sounding right.

All you need to know about Melodyne right there...... Track it the best possible on the original recording....



Absolutely. These kind of tools work much better when they don't have to work as hard.


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Originally Posted By: sslechta
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
The less you move the note from it's original pitch, the easier it's going to be to get it sounding right.

All you need to know about Melodyne right there...... Track it the best possible on the original recording....


That is true for any pitch shifting software.


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Originally Posted By: annamarks
Melodyne Editor has the largest pitch range of any program I've used. I don't foresee a problem. You just locate the note on the grid and drag it up or down to change pitch (and left or right to change timing). Pretty easy, really, and very powerful.


This is a fact, however, when you move more than just a couple of half steps in pitch, the timbre of the note sound changes, especially with complex sounds like human voice. You quickly get something that doesn't sound even close to the tone of the original note as sung. They do have a formant tool in Melodyne that supposedly lets you dial it back in but I've never been satisfied with the results when I attempt to move a vocal note too far from the original pitch.

You can however, use that nicely to create harmony that's in the background, but when it comes to the lead vocal.... that's a different thing totally.


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