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I have tested out AI gnerated voices using the two apps below:
Kits.AI
Controlla Voice

I simply input my vocal track and generate an AI track singing the same song based on my vocal input, but with an AI substitued voice. What I can do is very limited since I have not paid $$ anything and am just using free features.

I have to tell you I like what I hear. The AI voice is not mine but I like to think since it is generated by using my voice the improvement is a fair tradeoff. Or am I just kidding my self. Either way, this post-vocal processing is better than anything I can do with all my Isotope tools.

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I've not tried them yet but I am very interested in finding an option that can generate good harmony vocals to my vox tracks.

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I am interested, but if I added another 9.99 or 19.99 subscription every time I saw something that looked cool I would soon be broke.
Is there anything out there close to this that is free free?
Fadr used to be but they shut that down.

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Just tried Kits.AI and...I'm much more impressed than I thought I would be. Nice job on the male vocals, not great on the females (which may be understandable). Huh.


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I have now tried several of the web based packages

Kits.AI.
Audimee
Controlla Voice.
ACE Studio.
Vocaloid.
Murf.ai.
Synthesizer V.
Revocalize.
Emvoice.

None are free that I find and they all look very similar. I am about to push the button for Kits.ai (or Audimee). It does have a 3 day free period, but you have to signup first. They claim you can cancel at any time.

The cheapest package is $9.99 and gives 30 minutes of use (DL?) per month. There appears to be three main Features, 1) Custom voice cloning where you upload a number of examples of dry a-cappla voice and it creates a voice clone, 2) Use the voice clone to convert your vocals (limited in download time) and 3) a collection of audio tools for post and pre processing. I am only interested in using one of the 40+ royalty free singing voices to convert my vocals.

The free demo I used for this purpose sounded better than I expected, but you can not "download" the demo from the web unless you sign up.


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Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I've not tried them yet but I am very interested in finding an option that can generate good harmony vocals to my vox tracks.

Check this out...

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Originally Posted by DrDan
Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I've not tried them yet but I am very interested in finding an option that can generate good harmony vocals to my vox tracks.

Check this out...
Really cool examples! But I didn't hear any built-in harmony options. Looked like he did that in his DAW. I'd love to be able to upload my vox of the melody and get back a harmony track in one of those AI voices.

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Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I'd love to be able to upload my vox of the melody and get back a harmony track in one of those AI voices.

That will be next month... grin


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Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I'd love to be able to upload my vox of the melody and get back a harmony track in one of those AI voices.

That will be next month... grin
Ha! Well, while I'm making special requests, I'd like the timing and harmony note choices to be slightly varied from my original so it sounds like real vocalists singing along. My biggest issue with all of the software and hardware harmony generators is they track so perfectly that it is instantly recognizable as robotic!

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Originally Posted by DrDan
I have now tried several of the web based packages...
Vocaloid and SynthesizerV aren't web based.

The Dreamtonics voice changer is called VocoFlex, and is currently in closed beta. I signed up for it, but apparently I'm not enough of an influencer to be part of the beta. frown

Like SynthesizerV, VocoFlex will not be subscription based.


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I was able to get "free" conversions on Audimee. Under their free plan you can get 15 minutes of "conversion time" with up to 14 different AI voices (~5 male voices). Each different voice conversion can be downloaded and saved to your DAW.

Upload your acapella voice track as Input. Select the AI vocalist. Hit Convert. And you can download the output. I did this with three different male vocalists.

The jury is still out on the workflow for me! crazy

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I concluded yesterday after listening very closely, that this is no ready for me. While it was interesting I think the best final result was still my own voice. Although, George was a very very close second. grin


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This is really interesting stuff, and I appreciate the pioneering you guys are doing. I LOVE the idea of adding a second vocalist to the mix, specifically for harmonies. If it's not here, it's not far off...


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Originally Posted by DC Ron
This is really interesting stuff, and I appreciate the pioneering you guys are doing. I LOVE the idea of adding a second vocalist to the mix, specifically for harmonies. If it's not here, it's not far off...

My guess is that will be the next step for a pitch control program, i.e. AI harmonies.
There are programs out there that will do this now but the ones that I have tried have not sounded "organic" but more like robotic. I think a program like Melodyne would be a natural for automatic human sounding harmonies. YMMV


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Originally Posted by MarioD
I think a program like Melodyne would be a natural for automatic human sounding harmonies. YMMV
Yes, agreed. With the crazy rate of advancement with AI developments, possibly not far off too.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I'd love to be able to upload my vox of the melody and get back a harmony track in one of those AI voices.

That will be next month... grin
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[quote=MarioD
My guess is that will be the next step for a pitch control program, i.e. AI harmonies. [/quote]

I recenty viewed a talk by Mark Chen, Head of Frontiers Research at OpenAI.
On the subject of what is coming after ChatGPT-4, he says Multimodal will come next;
Inputs will be text, audio, and video
Outputs will be text, audio and video

He says this path will be helpful in enabling AGI, Artificial General Intelligence.


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There are good artificial voice synths on the market now. I listened to a few and decided to try Synth V. It's not a web based synth so it operates in your computer like any other music software. The results you get are based in a large part on the detail work you are willing to do and the time you invest in it. My most recent song OPEN ROAD in the showcase is one of the female synth voices from SV. It's mighty impressive at times.


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Dreamtonics - the company that made SynthesizerV - released Vocoflex today:

https://dreamtonics.com/vocoflex/

Vocoflex is described as a "real-time voice creation & transformation plugin", which makes it akin to RVC for voice cloning.

At $200 (currently $159 on sale), it's not exactly cheap, but unlike RVC it doesn't require a high-powered video card to run it.

But unlike RVC, it offers features like being able to create your own voice, or morph between voices. So there's a lot more flexibility in what can be done with it.

However, you'll need to identify yourself before you can use the software. That means providing an image of your passport/driver's license/national identify card/residence permit, as well as having a camera on your computer to verify that your face matches your identify card. If you don't want to give out that information, don't get Vocoflex.

You'll also need to make sure you've got a powerful enough computer. I can render tracks in my DAW, but I can't play audio back in realtime through the plugin, as it renders at 70% realtime speed with nothing else loaded in the DAW except for a vocal track and Vocoflex.


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Originally Posted by dcuny
Dreamtonics - the company that made SynthesizerV - released Vocoflex today:

https://dreamtonics.com/vocoflex/

Vocoflex is described as a "real-time voice creation & transformation plugin", which makes it akin to RVC for voice cloning.

At $200 (currently $159 on sale), it's not exactly cheap, but unlike RVC it doesn't require a high-powered video card to run it.

But unlike RVC, it offers features like being able to create your own voice, or morph between voices. So there's a lot more flexibility in what can be done with it.

However, you'll need to identify yourself before you can use the software. That means providing an image of your passport/driver's license/national identify card/residence permit, as well as having a camera on your computer to verify that your face matches your identify card. If you don't want to give out that information, don't get Vocoflex.

You'll also need to make sure you've got a powerful enough computer. I can render tracks in my DAW, but I can't play audio back in realtime through the plugin, as it renders at 70% realtime speed with nothing else loaded in the DAW except for a vocal track and Vocoflex.
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The reason those Japanese asked for your ID, was because they were afraid of you using their software to do illegal things, such as cloning the voice of Kamala, or Vance.

However, because they were too careful, it resulted in their software being not so great.

Even if you try to make Kamala sing your song, the result doesn't sound like Kamala much, is what I heard.


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J*3 you can generate separate harmony tracks in BIAB or realband using your own vocal and then put those through an ai . This is what I did in this one.[video:youtube]Stand by Me (capo 3) Cover Song by CooperSync play along with scrolling guitar chords and lyrics
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Hey Dan,

Before I look into Kits too much, is it free free or "demo" free?

It seems like some voices are free free for as long as you want if you have an account. Is that right?

And are they all royalty free?

Thanks!!

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Hey Dan,

Is the kit.ai freebie (or freebies) free free or "demo" free, that is "free for trial period"?

It seems like there may be a few voices that are free free for an unlimited time if you have an account but I can't be quite sure.

Also, I guess they are royalty free?

The reason I am asking is I hate signing up for "free" tools only find out they are not so free after all.

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However, you'll need to identify yourself before you can use the software. That means providing an image of your passport/driver's license/national identify card/residence permit, as well as having a camera on your computer to verify that your face matches your identify card. If you don't want to give out that information, don't get Vocoflex.
That to me is a very serious red flag!
They'll be asking for your memorable data next...

Quite seriously, there are data harvesters all over social media and the like, that are click-bait asking for things like the name of your first pet or favourite teacher, favourite colour and what have you. They're building huge databases trying to tie this stuff together.


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That to me is a very serious red flag!
They'll be asking for your memorable data next...

Quite seriously, there are data harvesters all over social media and the like, that are click-bait asking for things like the name of your first pet or favourite teacher, favourite colour and what have you. They're building huge databases trying to tie this stuff together.
True, but that's not the case here.

I spoke to Kanru at Dreamtonics about this, and they aren't happy about this, either. But it's the only mechanism they found for identifying people.

Two months ago, they announced that all submitted IDs will be removed once the process is completed:
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We have received a lot of inquiries regarding why users even need to go through our KYC process before being able to use Vocoflex. We understand it might be unconventional, or even a bit intimidating for an audio plugin to require KYC for purchase.

Vocoflex is the first solution to transfer voice timbre in real-time using merely a few seconds of vocals as reference. Prior to the release, we have been aware of the potential risks of harmful and unethical misuses, and have conducted a closed beta from April to July during which we carefully communicated and consulted our test users. By the end of the beta tests, we found KYC procedures a necessary compromise to prevent misuses and maintain a safe environment for all creators and artists involved.

For this very reason, the current iteration of Vocoflex still requires ID verification through our KYC-service partner, ComplyCube, as a precautionary measure. The good news, though, is that all ID photos and documents will now be deleted upon successful KYC completion. By the time of this announcement, all ID photos and documents that have already passed verification have also been deleted.

Dreamtonics will never use the data you provide for any purposes other than those outlined in the Vocoflex Privacy Policy. We sincerely hope you can understand our efforts to minimize the improper use of Vocoflex.

Still not a great policy to require ID in the first place, though.


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However, you'll need to identify yourself before you can use the software. That means providing an image of your passport/driver's license/national identify card/residence permit, as well as having a camera on your computer to verify that your face matches your identify card. If you don't want to give out that information, don't get Vocoflex.
Yes, I decided to NOT get it because of the info they require. I believe you are correct that they have no intention to steal or abuse my info but every few months I get a "we're sorry" letter from some major company that allowed my data to be stolen from their networks. If the big guys can't protect what I give them I sure don't trust a small Japanese startup to be more secure!

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Originally Posted by dcuny
However, you'll need to identify yourself before you can use the software. That means providing an image of your passport/driver's license/national identify card/residence permit, as well as having a camera on your computer to verify that your face matches your identify card. If you don't want to give out that information, don't get Vocoflex.
Yes, I decided to NOT get it because of the info they require. I believe you are correct that they have no intention to steal or abuse my info but every few months I get a "we're sorry" letter from some major company that allowed my data to be stolen from their networks. If the big guys can't protect what I give them I sure don't trust a small Japanese startup to be more secure!
Great points. Every time anyone shares their bio or even much less to the internet, they have absolutely no control over whatever they shared. No control - none whatsoever. Scammers paradise.


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If the big guys can't protect what I give them I sure don't trust a small Japanese startup to be more secure!
It's not a small Japanese startup that's doing the identify verification.

The verification is done by ComplyCube.

Not that I particularly trust ComplyCube, either. frown


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The reason those Japanese asked for your ID, was because they were afraid of you using their software to do illegal things, such as cloning the voice of Kamala, or Vance.

However, because they were too careful, it resulted in their software being not so great.

Even if you try to make Kamala sing your song, the result doesn't sound like Kamala much, is what I heard.

Uh... yea... No.

A number of government agencies have since contacted them on this — turns out that what they wanted to do wasn't legal in Japan either for the same reasons as the US and the EU.

They have since changed their policy. Once they have verified that you are who you say that you are, they flush the non-essential information including the numbers on your ID and payment information. You still have to show your face when asked to verify against your photo (I never had a problem with that part) but you are no longer at risk for identity theft—or so they claim.

By the time they got back to me with this new policy, I already had my money refunded and my project done using another method so the need had passed. I may still buy it again but not this year.

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The IRS uses them, too, as I recently found out when I had to show my face to allow someone else to download one of my tax forms. I was surprised that my picture was already on file until I remembered that the California DMV made me go through it before letting me renew my license online (they had my picture already, of course). Weird part was that after I went through everything, I had to drive to the DMV and have a new picture taken—but I didn't have to do anyhing else.


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Have you tried AudioModify? It's a site that lets you create covers using your AI voices, and it lets you start for free, but the monthly subscription is only $4.50 to $7.50 a month, depending on how many voices you want to use. The web site's URL is audiomodify.com if you want to look into it. smile

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Also try AudioModify. They have a lot of cool tools to use.

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AudioModify was never going to do what I needed.

VocoFlex could which was to sing new parts in the voice of someone we thought was dead in Costa Rica. Turned out he wasn’t, flew back to the US and gave me enough material to finish the album. He was so feeble that I was recording syllables to be copied, pasted, stretched and ZTX’d, Melodyn’d and Auto-Tuned into place. Now that he has passed, I have no need for the app. He did get to hear it before he died, however.


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Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!

Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Get the latest update today!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!

First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!

www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm

Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®

Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.

Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.

Check out the forum post for more information.

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