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Ehh, electricity is something we can make more of.
Many other things ARE of a fixed amount that we rely on and we should probably worry more about those (to keep it in perspective).
Anyone with a little knowledge & effort can make *some electricity with very little requirements.
Making more Helium (as the article mentions) or oil or gas is quite a bit more problematic, especially if we keep using those items to make electricity.
Just a thought.
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There is electricity and then there is electrocity.
Kind of combining electricity and atrocity; why make electricity using stuff we need for other purposes when electricity is the one we can make other ways?
Try making more oil, gas or helium (etc).
Seems like we're unnecessarily throwing A at B when B is renewable and fleeting and can be accomplished in other ways.
/another weird rharv moment brought to you in the moment
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Why worry about how much electricity AI will use? We should be worrying about how much electricity we will use as we are forced to buy electric cars, lawn mowers, power tools, stoves, cloth dryers, hot water heaters, etc.
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I think you missed part of my point. The less we burn oil/coal/gas to get electricity, the longer it will last. We have other ways to make electricity but nobody wants to. /I admit I have a gas generator for when the power goes out  // just suggesting we could conserve some oil etc if we we made electricity in other ways, we know how
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I haven't read (or thought about)) EETimes in over a decade. Thanks for sharing. I had the big newspaper print version delivered to my office mailbox for many years along with the glossy Machine Design and 4 or 5 other industry trade journals. They kept me abreast of what industry was doing and even helped me in my career from time to time; those were the days. Personally I'm not that concerned about how much energy AI consumes. Financial considerations will limit any sector from consuming too much of the pie. Plus renewables are coming online at ever faster rates and I'm expecting the "fusion nut" to be cracked by some research team within the lifetime of many of us. That said, most people have a laundry list of concerns; here are a few of mine in no particular order: 1. Climate change and it's ramifications 2. The fall of democracies around the world 3. WW3 (One observer has pontificated that WW4 will be fought with stones and spears; I disagree) 4. Should I buy EZKeys? 
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There are all sorts of co9nflicts and contradictions in the whole business our impact on the planet.
I certainly agree with rharv's view that we should try to reserve what we can of oil and similar resources, and also that there are other materials that are every bit as concerning as the his example of the loss of helium. Unfortunately many of those materials are vital for present day batteries, which are one of the few effective ways we have to store energy. Pumped storage and its relatives are the most obvious exception.
For me, the root of the problem is the rather relentless increase in the population of the planet and the consequential increase in demand for those few resources. Collectively we seem to have no idea how we might relieve that pressure or deal with the consequences of not relieving it. Back in the 70s my wife and I decided we'd not have a family as part of our own responsibility. I've also tried to be resource efficient in just about everything I've designed throughout my life. It seems to have been to no avail.
Like just about everyone, I hope we finally get fusion generation to work. We're closer than ever before! But that won't solve the long-term problems if we continue to demand ever more from our planet.
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/I admit I have a gas generator for when the power goes out Ah ... the perils of different languages with a common root ... American and English. When I first read that I took it to mean that you had a means to generate a flammable gas when there was no electricity. E.g., methane or hydrogen or something. Over here we call the liquid fuel petrol, not gas.
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For me, the root of the problem is the rather relentless increase in the population of the planet and the consequential increase in demand for those few resources Yes, this has concerned me too for a long time. There has to be a limit.
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Gas generators? Yep, I had to read it twice to understand that it meant 'gasoline' powered generator, and not something that created hydrogen.  BTW, Cows are also gas generators 
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BTW, Cows are also gas generators I think that's another of those words that differ, though I may be wrong. I think cattle is the better term for the US. Much of it is methane, which is a far worse greenhouse gas than CO2.  At least these word differences are confusing/amusing, rather than potentially offensive as are some.
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yeah, sometimes I forget about the other languages when I type that said .. "I have a gasoline fueled electric generator for when the power goes out" takes a whole lot more of those precious ASCII characters .. especially all those 'E's, those are getting hard to come by 'round here
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yeah, sometimes I forget about the other languages when I type I think we probably all do. Sometimes we don't know or remember that there are differences. I wrote several times a while back about using "curtains" to help control sound, before remembering that in the US they're called "drapes". I posted about the "gas generator" because I thought my misreading of it was funny. I hope others do too.
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FWIW my wife thinks I am the gas generator
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Interesting article but my AI energy concern is more elemental: Will AI suck the imaginative energy and cognitive development out of future generations by making the hard mental investments unnecessary? On the other hand, maybe this is like moving from the slide rule to the pocket calculator (I was there), and not a problem at all. Or like the evolution of public libraries from hard copy repositories to internet cafes? AI is definitely a disruptive technology but...is it helpful? The answer might be YES, but...I don't know. Electricity consumption seems like a minor issue, at least to me, at this time...
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4. Should I buy EZKeys? I just bought the upgrade to EZMix3, and noticed I have a whole bunch of EZKeys things. I never use them. Then again, I buy lots of other stuff I never seem to use, so... 
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I just bought the upgrade to EZMix3, and noticed I have a whole bunch of EZKeys things. I never use them. Then again, I buy lots of other stuff I never seem to use, so... I'm sure you know that putting the purchase of EZKeys in a list with WW3 was tounge-in-cheek. But regarding EZAnything, I've resisted the temptation in favor of physical instruments, but I'll probably cave-in at some point
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AI does require a lot of electricity, however more concerning is that AI currently requires theft of creative content and provides zero credit or compensation to those that it profits from. Even worse, AI has resulted in tens or hundreds of thousands of layoffs, particularly in the graphic design and video game industries.
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Even worse, AI has resulted in tens or hundreds of thousands of layoffs, particularly in the graphic design and video game industries. Indeed, AI has resulted in many job losses and this will accelerate as companies large and small invest in AI technologies. In many cases these investments must be offset by workforce cuts not to mention certain jobs being entirely replaced by AI bots. My heart goes out to the young folks that today, need a Plan B, C and maybe D to sustain their career goals. Interestingly enough, I could see AI negatively impacting the very high-tech worker that created it in the first place! In the past, when new technologies came on the scene, many jobs were eliminated but new ones were created. The laid-off buggy whip worker may have found a new assembly line job at Ford. But, at this point anyway, I find it hard to think of large numbers of good-paying new jobs being created due to AI. The only such jobs that come to mind are in the AI sector itself which most likely won't produce longterm much less permenant career paths. People way smarter than us must be thinking about this problem. Those directly affected by this or have children that may be affected might read this article from Jan of this year. Tech Companies Pivot to AI
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Funny thought
A few of those video game companies have had big flops recently. Released, then recalled/cancelled.
Wonder how long it takes them to make the correlation and have to ask themselves about that, at least once ... eventually
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I'm sure you know that putting the purchase of EZKeys in a list with WW3 was tounge-in-cheek. But regarding EZAnything, I've resisted the temptation in favor of physical instruments, but I'll probably cave-in at some point Ha! That's what I get for having multiple pages open!
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Interestingly enough, I could see AI negatively impacting the very high-tech worker that created it in the first place! Precisely! AI is capable of writing code - it's theoretically possible that someone could create a new AI by using AI to write all of it, and not actually writing a single line of code by hand. Funny thought
A few of those video game companies have had big flops recently. Released, then recalled/cancelled.
Wonder how long it takes them to make the correlation and have to ask themselves about that, at least once ... eventually Yep, I've seen that a lot in the last couple years, Concord being the most recent (for those who don't know, the game servers were shut down after only 2 weeks due to poor sales, and all purchases were refunded). It's probably less likely to do with AI and more because investors want a reliable return on their dollars, making the studios go for more generic copypasta than actually creating something interesting and worthwhile. Younger generations are getting smart - they're less likely to spend money on the newest big game when it's nearly identical to a dozen others that are cheaper or they already own. At least in the case of video games, many gamers have ethical issues with the use of AI to generate game assets. Many companies are now being forced to make announcements detailing exactly how much and what content was generated by AI, meaning that some gamers won't buy a game if they feel like there was "too much" AI content. Friendly reminder that our RealTracks are entirely created by humans
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What if AI actually ends up creating the solution for the power issue by a combination of creating more energy efficient systems, and cleaner more powerful ways of creating energy in the first place?
Also, this is obviously not the first time in human history industries have drastically changed. People need to learn new skills and, in short, change. Is it possible that more jobs may be created by AI than it eliminates?
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Precisely! AI is capable of writing code - it's theoretically possible that someone could create a new AI by using AI to write all of it, and not actually writing a single line of code by hand. You are absolutely right and I have personally seen this at play. The only computer language I still engage with is Wolfram Language, which is embedded within Mathematica. A few weeks back I was writing a small program and couldn't quite remember how to code a certain subtask so I simply asked my AI assistant and within seconds I had copy and pastable code that worked. I could then say to it "This is nice, but can you add such and such" and it dutifully delivered what I needed. The strength (danger?) of LLMs is that they can be trained to be fluent in most any language; be it English, French, C++, Fortran, Chemistry, Physics, Music, and what really cuts close to home for me; Engineering. There will be massive up-sides to this; drug discovery comes to mind, but sadly, many white-collar jobs will be subsumed by this technology. And as I mentioned in another thread; it is now to the point where it can reason its way through multi-step problems at a PhD level. OpenAI has created something that is literally astounding.
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Yes, AI is a new frontier, and it has two sides, 'good' and 'bad' depending on how it is used. Regardless, it's here to stay. We better get used to it.
My big concern is that it may allow some in society to simply 'dumb-down', potentially diminishing the motivation, talent, skill and innovation of people. That would be disastrous.
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Some here seem to welcome our new overlords .. <grin>
Simon kind of made my earlier point clearer, though unintentionally -
" It's probably less likely to do with AI and more because investors want a reliable return on their dollars, making the studios go for more generic copypasta than actually creating something interesting and worthwhile."
For AI to 'know' something it learns from existing stuff (and some people are upset their 'stuff' is being used), which is likely why the human originality aspect is getting lost in some aspects.
I think the arts will (in the long run) overcome AI due to human originality.
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Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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