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Actually DC it is helpful, serving to maybe confirm my suspicion that my cable is on the fritz.
When I just plug the USB into the laptop, the red light indeed goes on, but only for a second and then goes dark. I think all these cheapo cables must be very similar, so I'm thinking the fact my red light goes off must indicate some malfunction in the cable itself.
And you found I think the EXACT cable I am dealing with since the logo looks exactly the same. I think I even remember the packaging !
Hmmm. Just checked the Sanoxy cable on Amazon you cited and found this:
"The MIDI Cable can support WIN10, but must use in USB 2.0 port, ("NOT FOR USB 3.0 PORTS)"
My Dell laptop is USB 3.0- that would explain why the cable isn't working and the red light goes off.
So, at long last, the cable is good and mystery solved. Just requires USB 2.0.
Geesh !
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Just got around to reading the reviews on Amazon for the Sanoxy cable. 40 of 400 "Does not work". No such thing as a free or under $10 lunch. What do you expect ?
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"The MIDI Cable can support WIN10, but must use in USB 2.0 port, ("NOT FOR USB 3.0 PORTS)"
My Dell laptop is USB 3.0- that would explain why the cable isn't working and the red light goes off.
So, at long last, the cable is good and mystery solved. Just requires USB 2.0. That's interesting, because (most) USB-3 computer ports also have USB-1.0 / 2.0 connections (there are two sets of power/data pins so that a USB-2.0 plug will use the USB-2.0 pins in the USB-3.0 socket. But maybe there are some USB-3.0 only connectors. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28893&filename=2024-11-05_12-20-23.jpg) From Wikipedia: Front view of a Standard-A USB 3.0 connector, showing its front row of four pins for the USB 1.x/2.0 backward compatibility, and a second row of five pins for the later (but out-of-date) USB 3.0 connectivity (the latest is 3.2). The plastic insert is in the USB 3.0 standard blue color, Pantone 300C. So I always believed that USB 2 could work in a USB 3 socket. Maybe not?
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I am officially crying "UNCLE" now. I also think a USB 2 cable would work, certainly physically, in a USB 3 socket but you just wouldn't get the signal/speed benefits of USB 3 throughput. This article seems to bear this out: https://technewsdaily.com/news/is-a-usb-3-0-compatible-with-usb-2-0/And several users of the cheap Sanoxy cable report using it okay with USB 3. But if this is true, then WHY would Sanoxy, in the Amazon ad, per my previous post, CLEARLY state: "The MIDI Cable can support WIN10, but must use in USB 2.0 port, ("NOT FOR USB 3.0 PORTS)" Now I have misgivings about ordering on Amazon the FORE $19 cable that has 4,500 orders and a 4.4 star rating but only refers to USB 2.0 (even though some users report using it with USB 3). I guess I'll order it and return if it doesn't work... https://www.amazon.com/FORE-Interfa...e1f748de&pd_rd_i=B0719V8MX1&th=1
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Frankly, I believe that it will work with a USB-3 port. This is because your USB-3 port on your PC is highly likely to have USB-2 pins built in. I have yet to see one that hasn't.
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There are a couple of things that maybe going on. Many older laptop USB ports are lucky if they provide enough power for an external keyboard or mouse. Also USB power lines normally are protected with motherboard fuses that might be weak or popped. According to the laptop specifications +++ HERE +++ most of the USB ports differ from each other. Two USB 3.1 Gen 1 ports, One USB 3.1 Gen 1 with PowerShare and One USB 3.1 Gen 2 (Type-C) with Thunderbolt At the very least I would try using the Powershare USB port.
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Thanks Jim.
I'll try finding and using the Powershare USB port on my Dell Latitude USB port. Do I understand correctly it might provide more
power as-is without tweaking anything, maybe sufficient for my MIDI interface cable ?
Is it possible to use a powered USB hub to provide more power ? I know they are used when trying to connect external drives, etc.
to iOS devices that don't have sufficient USB power, requiring a Lightning adapter and powered hub.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a less expensive USB MIDI interface box that works with Windows 10 and a laptop ? I don't need audio,
and my AudioBox USB 2 port is too expensive for my current needs.
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If you don't have a powered USB Hub, then choose the USB port that is closest to the power input point on the laptop. This usually means the shortest distance from the internal power supply to the USB port, and therefore the least chance of a voltage drop.
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Will do. Will be interesting to see if the closest one is also the one Jim suggested that has "Powershare" in my Dell.
From what I'm reading I'm out of luck with my alternative of using my old M-Audio Midisport 2x2 interface with USB. Its got to be 15 years old.
Apparently it is almost impossible to get a Windows 10 driver that works with it.
So, again, I'm soliciting suggestions for an inexpensive externally powered 2 port USB interface box that supports Win 10. As previously noted I have an AudioBox MIDI/audio interface that is very good for my main studio setup, but expensive and includes audio/mic ins which I have no need for with the
mobile laptop setup I'm building.
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Also USB power lines normally are protected with motherboard fuses that might be weak or popped. They're usually protected with a current sensor and an electronic switch, so generally shouldn't fail, just disconnect temporarily. Of course shouldn't != will not. When plugging in a USB device, one of the parts of the discussion between the device and the host/hub is the amount of power that the device wants. If the host/hub cannot supply enough power, it can and probably will decline the connection.
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From what I'm reading I'm out of luck with my alternative of using my old M-Audio Midisport 2x2 interface with USB. Its got to be 15 years old.
Apparently it is almost impossible to get a Windows 10 driver that works with it.
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Bob Here is a M-Audio Midisport 2x2 win 10 driver: https://driverscollection.com/?H=MIDISPORT%202x2&By=M-AUDIO&SS=Windows%2010%2064-bitHave you tried it?
When you are at the checkout line and they ask if you found everything say "Why, are you hiding stuff?"
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Just checked my Dell laptop, and sure enough it has the two "Powershare" USB ports, and they are right by where the power cable connects.
BTW, strapping on my big boy pants and am going to spring for a USB interface box and be done with fiddling with MIDI USB cables, drivers, compatability with Win 10, etc. - Focusrite, Yamaha, or Prosonus Audiobox probably. And I forgot my iRig Pro supports not only iOS but PC, so I'll play with that today.
My tip of the day is if you haven't checked out Shopgoodwill.com online or Marketplace for music gear, do so. Incredible deals on used and sometimes almost brand new stuff. I've seen lots of Audioboxes for $25 for example, and have gotten violins, keyboards, etc. for next to nothing. My deal here in Austin, with so many musicians here (and disgruntled parents), is that there are lots of items online and in the bidding I don't have to factor in shipping costs, so I'm already $50 or so up on other bidders. Tip <OFF>.
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Jumpin' on it today ! Not very optimistic but we shall see. I was reading about the Win 10 driver for the "Anniversary Edition" of the Midisport which came out in 2005 or thereabouts and spotty reports of success. I think mine is prior to that so not sure the Anniversary driver would help, and any prior driver I find might not support Win 10. We shall see. Thanks for the link !
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Frankly, I believe that it will work with a USB-3 port. This is because your USB-3 port on your PC is highly likely to have USB-2 pins built in. I have yet to see one that hasn't. You haven't seen enough, then. Being a member of the USBIF, I can assure you that USB 3 is a hot mess rivaled only by USB-C which is only a port and not a protocol. Many cables and PC's ports do not support backward compatibility to USB 2/1.1. It's a big enough issue that you can buy USB Printer cables in all configurations. These support USB 2/1.1 only and are recommended by Yamaha and others for their audio/MIDI interfaces.
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Maybe the O/P can tell us if their USB port supports USB 2.0.
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Being a member of the USBIF, I can assure you that USB 3 is a hot mess rivaled only by USB-C which is only a port and not a protocol. Many cables and PC's ports do not support backward compatibility to USB 2/1.1. Indeed. FWIW, I think the whole of USB is an awful mess. It started as a cheap-and-cheerful trick to avoid some issues with V24/RS232 ports and has added fiddle opon fiddle and trick upom trick as it's grown. Also FWIW, the numbers, i.e. 1.0 1.1 2.0 3.0 3.1 3.2 and 4 refer primarily to the protocols. Then on top of some of those there are also speed specificiers,. The letters A, B, mini-A, mini-B, mini-AB, micro-A, micro-B, micro-AB, the super-speeds, C and whatever else refer to the connectors. And some now incorporate Thunderbolt, PCIe and DisplayPort. And, of course, not everyone implements the protocols properly. I've wasted quite some time getting around that particular problem. Hmm ... I think that turned into a rant. Sorry.
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Hi Mario,
Today I'm trying your Win 10 driver for my M-Audio Midisport 2x2 interface and am in need of some help installing it.
I downloaded the driver and ran the unzip and install.
It appeared to install okay on my Win 10 Dell laptop.
I do not have the Midisport plugged in anywhere (and I assumed the driver would show up in BIAB without the Midisport plugged in).
I go into BIAB Options>MIDI/Audio Drivers Setup but I don't see the driver in it.
What should I do ?
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Can anybody recommend a relatively inexpensive (<$50) MIDI interface that WORKS.
I have a keyboard with the old 5 pin MIDI out connector. I am trying to use it to input notes into BIAB in my Windows 10 laptop.
I've seen ones like for example the Roland UM-ONE-MK2 $42 with 5 pin IN and OUT and USB. But I've seen at least one warning
it does not work with Windows 10. I'm hoping for one that's class compliant and no hassle downloading drivers that work.
I can supply the MIDI and USB cables if you know of one that is just the box.
Any suggestions ?
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For anyone else struggling like me on this thread to interface an old MIDI keyboard (early 2000's) to a Win 10 laptop with a simple cord, just reporting I (finally) had success with a semi-cheapo ($20) MIDI cord by FORE, Seems to be consistent with reports I'd red that a lot of those $10 cords simply don't work (one I had certainly hasn't... yet).
This is what worked right out of the box:
https://www.amazon.com/FORE-Type-C-Interface-Connecting-Synthesizer/dp/B0719V8MX1?crid=1I38EKVNGQMSA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nWTE511xlcob6ZdDWpSux8ZZRh_7q1_4KQ5YuOxPXLJNpdaGD0GS5j77H-TF03GSfO-vMLxFtTOwKMYXpOazRVj8fwZcXpm6S68rnCUNIy9OP9cqzeHhaXQKnbo_CTOFqriFmyVR6G6Mn6oZH25TzH1ExyLyEVdm0gUOVcT-QTvsy8cQHtH5F_ExQVU7lzflnFs11T_C8EoRBonvTnDjNPPDnqDzCU-owqsgp819P5jT0TSti8rTbS474FOdYojl4FuN6nYyAGeNIbANupbPsM5jpREhv5W_48Mzh4FvJEI.jOYG6x_uLRIZ1Qe5ABfvMoXmzpY48-uPzmLFZA7ydSQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=fore%2Bmidi%2Bcable&qid=1731010733&sprefix=fore%2Bmidi%2Bcabl%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-1&th=1
Everything seems to be working fine. Plug and Play with no driver hassles, no need for power USB hub, etc. Just WORKS. And avoids spending $150 or so for
an audio/USB 2x2 interface box like AudioBus, Focusrite, Behringer, etc.
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Hi Bob,
My guess is that the drivers will be activated when you plug in the Midisport.
When you are at the checkout line and they ask if you found everything say "Why, are you hiding stuff?"
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