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Hello, Simon. Thank you for your advice.
Unfortunately I haven't got my answer here or anywhere.
I "Toned" down ( to -9) but it didn't work at all.
Also the overall sound becomes muffled, so I don't like it.
Next I tried BB Five Band EQ. This is better but still hiss noise.
Same as TDR Nova.
Question with these EQ... Can I apply only to some bars (tempo changed bars only)?
because I have no issue with the sound before the tempo change and after it goes back to the normal tempo.
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Have you considered changing the drums to something different that you find more suitable?
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Hello, Simon. Thank you for your advice.
Unfortunately I haven't got my answer here or anywhere.
I "Toned" down ( to -9) but it didn't work at all.
Also the overall sound becomes muffled, so I don't like it.
Next I tried BB Five Band EQ. This is better but still hiss noise.
Same as TDR Nova.
Question with these EQ... Can I apply only to some bars (tempo changed bars only)?
because I have no issue with the sound before the tempo change and after it goes back to the normal tempo.
Regards,
Jazzutako Save the single drum track as a WAV file. Open that WAV file in Realband. Set the EQ Highlight the section you want to change. (you can also use the From-Thru settings to select that section) Use Edit-AudioEffects-PG 10Band EQ and Process just that highlighted section Save as WAV file Import back into BiaB ..or just open the BiaB file in Realband where such edits are easier (but you can still generate and add tracks). There is probably a way to do this in BiaB also. As another option you could could transfer the generated drums from the the newer BiaB version to the computer with the older version (as audio) using the same Save As WAV file method. Since the newer version does not generate the offending noise.. if you post the SGU someone will gladly generate it for you if needed using the newer version.
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Hi, Audio Track.
I tried the similar styles but they all made the hiss noise during the tempo change.
What do you mean by "changing the drums" ?
I can change the drums in the style? If so, I didn't know that and I don't know how.
I have BB Pro and styles, drums etc are limited so I have a feeling that it doesn't work.
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Hi, rharv.
Thank you very much for your advise!
I'll have a go but....
Trying to eliminate the hiss noise using EQ is very complicated and daunting for me.
And Reading your advise, I came up with these questions.
1) Can I transfer the old style from BB2018 to BB2025? (that particular ballad style)
2) Does BB2018 work in Win 11?
3) Can I have both BB2018 and BB2025 in the same laptop and use separately?
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I just read this thread, and it's very interesting. There is some great advice and diagnosing going on.
Let me take your questions in reverse order and then offer a thought in another direction.
3) Yes, you can. One of the folders could be /BB as it is now, and the other /BB2018 (or vice versa). The files in common that are NOT in the BIAB folder, like fonts, haven't changed to my knowledge.
Ideally, your computer has enough room for complete installations of both. If it does not, we can talk more about going into Preferences to select the same location for your RealTracks and then RealDrums. This could be problematic for the 2018 version not recognizing some sounds, and/or not indexing them.
2) Yes, I think so, but I haven't tried it since I update every year.
1) Not sure about this one. However, following Simon and RHarv's line of thinking, I want to suggest something else. How powerful is your new computer? The minimum requirements to run BIAB successfully have increased somewhat. A "gaming" computer means to me that it has a powerful graphics capability. That doesn't say much about RAM, disk storage, or the CPU, and the ONE thing BIAB doesn't need is a powerful graphics card. Since you do not have an external audio interface, it makes me wonder about the rest of your hardware. Perhaps something that worked in version 2018 now stresses your computer enough to produce unwanted noise. I do highly recommend what others identified, that you should get an audio interface. There are several inexpensive USB ones by Presonus or Focusrite. Any of them would be better than the internal RealTec chips.
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Hi, rharv.
Thank you very much for your advise!
I'll have a go but....
Trying to eliminate the hiss noise using EQ is very complicated and daunting for me.
And Reading your advise, I came up with these questions.
1) Can I transfer the old style from BB2018 to BB2025? (that particular ballad style)
2) Does BB2018 work in Win 11?
3) Can I have both BB2018 and BB2025 in the same laptop and use separately?
Regards,
Jazzutako If one computer generates it without the noise, use that computer to generate the track. Then export it to a WAV file and use a USB thumb drive to transfer that WAV file to the other computer and Import it into your desired project. That would be the simplest way. The answer to all 3 questions is *generally* yes, but all of those come with much more risk than the suggestion directly above. I wouldn't suggest doing any of those three without a back/restore up plan. Plus Simon said it's the 2018 version instigating the noise, so even with the newer style you'd likely get the noise when it generates. Solution: don't use 2018 to generate the drums. Generate them in the newer version and transfer/import the AUDIO so it is static..Freeze that track so it never changes.
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Hello Matt Finley Thank you very for your response. Sorry I didn't mention about my laptop, it's HP Victus, Win 11, 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700HX 2.10 GHz, 32GB RAM, 1TB storage. I don't play games but I edit videos  Do you think it's enough to have both BB2018 and BB2025? BB2018 is in my old laptop (Win 10) and I installed BB2025 in my new HP laptop. I didn't install BB2018 in my new HP laptop prior because I wasn't sure if it works in Win11. I wonder if I should've installed BB2018 first in my new HP laptop before I install BB2025? So far I like using BB2025 better compare to BB2018, except that hiss noise. If only I could transfer that old ballad style from BB2018 to BB2025. But having both BB2018 and BB2025 in one laptop would do for me. I had a little look over audio interface, and all those nobs just scare me...... Regards, Jazzutako
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Hi, rharv. Thank you for your response. If one computer generates it without the noise, use that computer to generate the track. Maybe the computer issue, do you think? I could install BB2025 in my old laptop to see if it makes the hiss noise........ The answer to all 3 questions is *generally* yes, but all of those come with much more risk Right. I should be careful. Simon said it's the 2018 version instigating the noise What do you mean? The ballad style in BB2018 doesn't make the hiss noise, but the same style of BB2025 does. My old laptop will eventually die, and I want to work on just one laptop for everything. Regards, Jazzutako
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I was just trying to help resolve your issue in a quick way.
Generate the track with the system you like the sound of.
Export it as an audio WAV file.
Use a thumb drive (our your network) to transfer that AUDIO to the new system.
Import it into the project.
Does the hiss still show up on the new system?
If not; problem solved and you have a track you are happy with.
If it does, then the new computer is the issue, not the track.
Generating the audio in one then moving it to the other is a simple test to narrow down the root cause and maybe find a solution for this one track..
I know if I create a track on my (good) music computer, then move it to my throw-around laptop, it is going to sound worse. That is expected considering the investment I have in the music computer. Maybe this test will expose something between your two systems.
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Hi, rharv. Thank you very much for your advise and help.
OK, I tried to do as you told me.
1) using my old laptop with BB2018, I rendered the drum track in WAV.
2) copied to USB stick
3) opened my project in BB2025 in my new laptop and imported the WAV file to Audio track.
I hope this is right.
Then I muted the drum track and played.
I don't know why but the audio played very slow, like almost half the tempo.
The sound is very blurry the whole time and I can't say there's the hiss noise.
What did I do wrong?
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I have no idea.
'Acidized' the wave file maybe?
That shouldn't happen, maybe someone else has an idea.
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Question with these EQ... Can I apply only to some bars (tempo changed bars only)?
because I have no issue with the sound before the tempo change and after it goes back to the normal tempo. That is not possible in BIAB, however it is possible in many DAWs if you export the tracks from BIAB. Have you considered changing the drums to something different that you find more suitable? That would be my suggestion. The "hissing" sound you're talking about is part of the drum performance (swirling brushes). 1) Can I transfer the old style from BB2018 to BB2025? (that particular ballad style)
2) Does BB2018 work in Win 11?
3) Can I have both BB2018 and BB2025 in the same laptop and use separately? 1: The style files from 2018 have not changed, so if you're using a 2018 style in 2025 there is no difference to the style file itself than using that same file in the 2018 version. The differences you're hearing are related to the software not the content. 2: It should, however it was not built for Windows 11 and may not work correctly. 3: Yes that's possible, I do that myself. They need to be installed to different folders - they can use a shared RealTracks and Drums folder though. They would both need to be fully installed, as simply linking an otherwise empty 2018 folder to a full RealTracks folder will not work (there are supporting files in the BB folder that are necessary).
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Hi, Simon. Thank you for the advice. How do I change the drum? Also could you suggest the drum that will work in ballad style with double time feel in the middle? I'd like to try BB2018 in my new laptop (Win11). To have them both and use separately......... They need to be installed to different folders How do I do that? I only have C drive. Do I make a new folder directly under C drive before hand, and select that folder when installing? Regards, Jazzutako
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They need to be installed to different folders How do I do that? I only have C drive. Do I make a new folder directly under C drive before hand, and select that folder when installing? Create a folder on your C: drive named (e.g.) C:\bb2018\ and install the 2018 version into that folder. You should not have to do a full install if you then set: Options > Preferences > RealDrums to use C:\bb\Drums\ and Options > Preferences > RealTracks to use C:\bb\RealTracks\ which will then use those other files from your existing C:\bb\ installation.
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Hi, AudioTrack. Thank you for your help.
I just tried to install BB2018 to my new laptop (Win11).
Did not work!
Lots of error messages like "the installation of such and such file was cancelled" etc.........
I gave up.
I don't think BB2018 works in Win11 computer.
I also tried to install BB2025 to my old laptop (Win10) and this was a success.
Looks like I can use both BB2018 and BB2025 separately, but the C drive is nearly full.
Anyway I made the same song (same chords, tempo, tempo change) and there was that hiss noise.
That means it's not the computer issue.
If it's not the software issue either, and if it's because of the way the drum swirls,
then what RealDrums set should I buy to be able to make a ballad with double time feel???
Please someone tell me!
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Meanwhile, way back on page 2 ... Kind of expected that.
Sounds like it's in the RT recording itself, not so much a 2025 vs 2018 issue.
You can try to make it less noticeable with EQ or such .. or try a different similar style for the drums .. or add something to the mix to hide it ..
It may just be the way the drummer dragged the brushes around in that style
It's not *that you changed styles, it's the style you chose, most likely.
That and your sound card may accentuate it.
Just my thoughts at this point, thanks for all the examples and clarity; they help other users respond. Spend some time demoing examples so you can choose what to acquire. https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.realtracks.jazz.htmOr get the ultrapak so you have everything to test at home
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Another suggestion would be to upload the song to let others listen and try to determine the cause of said sound. You could load it to the free Dropbox and post its URL.
I haven't followed this thread closely so if this has already been suggested then I apologize for the redundancy.
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Jazz.
ok i purposely tested the sgu's on a junk pc with a junk internal sound chip.
(WAS driver).
all i'm hearing (with good akg phones) is what i would expect.
unless my hearing is going bonkers in my doteage.
please tell me which BAR in the sgu you have a drum problem soundwise..
then i'll focus on that.
PS...IMPORTANT...i notice the generated waveform of the drums track is much lower than the waveform of other tracks. see tracks window in 2025 bb and post back a pic of your tracks window.
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the sgu's are on page 1 of thread.
love your sigs...keep them coming.
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Another suggestion would be to upload the song to let others listen and try to determine the cause of said sound. You could load it to the free Dropbox and post its URL.
I haven't followed this thread closely so if this has already been suggested then I apologize for the redundancy. Yep, the files have been uploaded and evaluated. Some are available at this post: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840649#Post840649The majority of listeners agree that the sound is the natural sound of the performing artist playing brush swirls on the snare. The O/P refers to the noise as a 'hiss', so I'm not sure if they are familiar with snare drums and brush techniques.
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