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Thank you for your response. The only answer other than replacing the drums would be to EQ the drums. That is find the offensive frequencies and lower the volume via EQ. The problem is that can be a real PITA to accomplish. Replacing the drums sounds to me the easiest solution at the moment, but I have to know which one can work. Even PG music cannot suggest which RealTracks Sets or Realdrums Tracks I should buy. Fixing the sound with EQ and audio interface is not for me. It's just too difficult! I've been using since BB2013. I love it because I can make Karaoke for my piano practice by just entering the chords, it's so simple and easy. It's not easy anymore with BB2025. PS - a suggestion. The next time, if there is one, don't let us know which file has the problem. Blind testing eliminates any bias. I'll put that in mind!
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Hi, rharv. Thank you for your help and suggestions. I don't have _JazzNYC nor _JazzSWS, but I tried with completely different style with drums. First _SLOWBAL (62) then _J140_BD (124), still noise. As far as your examples, yes I hear a distinct difference I'm relieved! Now, when I made that particular sample https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L30ihX7_AAjDnqJcxXEcFE9JpDdt6roH/view?usp=sharingI did not hear the noise at all when I was editing. I just noticed that the noise appears after rendering. What if the issue is in rendering process? Regards, Jazzutako
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Jazz.
re wavs and alternatives to jazzswp...ill see what i can do given my other projects. i really think...and i dont want to irk you...but
i feel there are better alternative styles than jazzswp style.
might take a few days.
What i think might be easier is if you ordered the pg ultrapak which gives you 30 days to test out and return if you wish.
PLUS use this pg site to audition various jazz styles in advance of that.
fyi. ive found some styles that might work with the extreme tempo changes. this is the KEY TO SUCCESS imho so as you dont get stretching artifacts.
as info for you im finding more success with your chords testing styles which the picker tempo column shows around 100 bpm.
so the lower and upper tempo work.
my suggestion to you if you get the pg upak is focus and audition those styles. ...and focus on those styleson this pg site.
so you have 30 daysto test in a relaxed fashion.
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Good morning, justanoldmuso! Thank you for your help! There may be lots of better alternatives but _SLOWBAL and _JAZZSWP are the only options for a jazz ballad style in BB2025 Pro. Besides, I don't mind those, really, it's just the "noise". And I'm started thinking it's not the swirl but there's something going on during the rendering process, because I don't really hear the noise when editing and playing. The noise appears after rendering. What i think might be easier is if you ordered the pg ultrapak which gives you 30 days to test out and return if you wish. I didn't know about the 30 day trial. That's a good idea! Regards, Jazzutako
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well ive had a bit of a breakthrough.
before you make a ballad style decision let me upload what i feel is a very nice ballad style based on snazzy4 style.
you might be surprised....i love it but you might not as we are all different. i love the piano in it for example....and feel the bass and drums work well also.
fyi and i dont know if fhis interests you but for fun i have scratch
crooner vocals for the song etc...lyrics obviously.
if you like the instrumentation wav i could then upload a version with my crooner vocs if your interested.
but only with your say so obviously.
let me show you what ive got...you can always ditch it if you hate it.
if you dont mind as its easy for me...ill upload wav to my soundcloud song site...keep it up till youve heard it and critiqued and then delete.
are you ok with that ?? otherwise ive got to go thru hassle useing another upload service and setting things up.
note...some caveats...
1..i assume this isnt a copyrighted jazz song but your original composition ? i dont want to run afoul of anyone.
2..if you like what i upload then i need to address a drum f!utter
in the sped up section by subbing another rd.
3..obviously after sending you the sgu finalised all will be deleted
this end. i want to assure you of that. ...its your song.
4..be aware if you give me the go ahead to upload to my soundcloud site in my sig ie any wav...that others will be able to hear it.
anyway get back to me what you want me to do re your demoing
initially of just the instrumentation i have at this point.
worst case it might give you some usefull ideas.
bal!s in your court.
i hope i make sense.
Just trying to help thats all.
and if we proceed please tell me when you want me to de!ete everything this end.
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And I'm started thinking it's not the swirl but there's something going on during the rendering process,
because I don't really hear the noise when editing and playing.
The noise appears after rendering.
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Jazzutako If you don't have the Realtek Audio Console you might want to get it. https://realtekaudioconsole.com/There may be something there that can help you. Note that I do not have any experience with it-----yet. I am going to DL myself and take a look at it.
When you are at the checkout line and they ask if you found everything say "Why, are you hiding stuff?"
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Thank you all for helping me!
I've noticed that I don't really hear the "noise" when editing and playing in BB2025.
The "noise" appears when rendered.
I suspect that the issue is in the rendering process, but not the drums swirl.
I'm asking for technical help from PG music at the moment. I'll let you know when I find out what's going on.
I don't think it's my laptop because I don't have any sound noise issue with other software.
Also when I installed BB2025 in my old laptop, it made the same noise when rendered as well,
whereas BB2018 doesn't.
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i didnt get a response from my last post re what you wanted me to do so ive deleted all includeing your original sgu's you uploaded for people to download and to audition plus any style changes i made and scratch vocs.
be assured nothing is left here.
happiness.
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Hi, justanoldmuso. Thank you for your help and suggestions. I'm sorry I didn't respond quickly enough, I needed to understand your suggestions fully and I needed time to think about them and to think of how to write my response. It's OK, please forget the things I asked you before. By the way, i assume this isnt a copyrighted jazz song but your original composition ? i dont want to run afoul of anyone. This chord progression is from a jazz standard (Blue and sentimental) but I made it short to make a sample. I don't make the original music. I just want to make Karaoke version for my piano practice, that's way I'm not that picky for styles. Just simple drums and bass to accompany is good. Regards, Jazzutako
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Another option, since you say you don't hear it when BiaB plays, but only after it renders is .. Simply play it in BiaB and record that exact output How you would do that varies from setup to setup, but with the Realtek soundcard I *think you just record the 'What U Hear' output. That may beyond your skill set or desire to learn, but would quickly avoid the rendering process altogether. 
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Audacity can record system audio. It is fairly straightforward to use.
Set Audacity to record and then play the song. Then save the recorded song from Audacity.
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HI, rharv. Thank you for the suggestion.
Ahhh, yes! If there's no solution, I could record the PC sounds.
I will look for a device or software that allows me to do that.
That'll do if it's simple enough for me to set up and if it sounds decent.
Thank you!
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Hi, AudioTrack. Thank you for the suggestion.
I have Audacity!!!!!
I'll try that now!
Thank you so much!
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Hi, AudioTrack.
I recorded using Audacity and it sounds good enough.
If there's no fix, this will be the option for me.
I still want to know what's going on and hopefully solve the problem within BB2025 though.
Thank you very much!
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It seems to me that whatever software that is used to render the audio internally is the culprit. BIAB might have their own audio driver / codec to do this, or they might employ an external driver.
At any rate, through trial and error you've come to the conclusion that the rendering process is the common denominator, and by bypassing this, you have achieved a more suitable result.
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Jazz.
thanks for replying. i only do originals anyway.
i thought it was somewhat familiar as i used to hang out once with jazzers etc....thus why i asked .
its a shame cos i had some fun ideas.
i really recommend getting the ultrapak cos just so many more options.
happiness.
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Whew!
Glad we finally got to an acceptable finish with this.
Woohoo!
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Hi, justanoldmuso. Thank you very much for your help and suggestions.
Yes, I will consider upgrading to UltraPak!
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Good morning! Thank you all the people who tried to help me! I really appreciate it.
I will let you know if I find out anything new.
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RHarv deserves the credit. He was the one who suggested to simply record the output. That was the hint that made me think of Audacity as a possible way to achieve this. Yes, it has been a journey, that's for sure
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