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Hello folks,
This morning I needed to use the plugin when tracking in Reaper.
The plug in was placed into the project prior to upgrading from 24 to 25 and was very successfully used on this particular project for two months.
When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow.
I changed the time setting in BIAB as a diff was illuminated. Ran the project and the result was the same.
I used the plugin to reopen the SGU. It did this VERY slowly then crashed Reaper.
I tried this four times with the same result.
I've not installed the latest build, downloaded but not run, but having checked the "fixes" the issue wasn't mentioned.
W10 machine, Reaper 6, BIAB 2025 installed.
Any suggestions?
Last edited by rayc; 01/28/25 06:40 PM.
Cheers
rayc
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I would definitely try build 1125e. There have been numerous changes that affect the plugin, so it is definitely work pursuing with the latest version. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840767#Post840767
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Band-in-a-Box build 1125e also includes version v7.0.10 of the DAW Plugin.
Release notes - DAW Plugin v.7.0.10
Fixed: Localized strings
Fixed: Pops/clicks during playback
Fixed: Out-of-sync playback when playing from the DAW with tempo changes
Fixed: Song with no style will use BLANK.STY by default (for saving SGU, Style Picker)
Fixed: Changed Japanese font to use Meiryo
Fixed: Wrong message displayed when trying to drag ungenerated (or only instructions) tracks
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Thanks Jim,
I've subsequently installed the latest build & Plug In - downloaded this morning.
The problem persists.
It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened.
The track is in BIAB's convoluted form of 8/4, (if I recall properly) though it reads 4/4 in the box, every bar of the song is individually labelled 4/4 which makes me think it is the 8/4 thing or something similar.
The count in flash starts up soon enough but the actual song kick in, from BIAB plug, (& I'm not playing audio files just running the chart screen to help with tracking), a bar late.
I can get buy I suppose but I did want to retrack a solo across 16 bars with quite a few chord changes so was hoping for the help that the chart usually provides.
Cheers
rayc
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Thanks A.T., as mentioned above - I've now been there & done that without a resolution.
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Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track.
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In the past a thread with this title whould have caused me to jump in and try to help. But now... this problem is just another thursday morning. Others have recommended to reload the v6 from late 2024 as they claim it is more stable. Sorry I can't help you any more.
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When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow. What sample rate are you using in your DAW, and does it match the sample rate your interface is set to? As well, can you go to File > About in the plugin, then tell us the version of the plugin and engine? It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened. Do you mean it's just one project that has issues? Can you try other projects? Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track. This is a good suggestion, particularly if the RPP was originally created with an old version of the plugin. The saved plugin state in the RPP from an old version could confuse the new version.
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Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track. Yep, I removed it. saved it under a new name. Opened it. Added PGPLUGIN, opened SGU and the moment the SGU was loaded Reaper crashed...about nine times over a couple of days of trying.
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A When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow. What sample rate are you using in your DAW, and does it match the sample rate your interface is set to? As well, can you go to File > About in the plugin, then tell us the version of the plugin and engine? B It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened. Do you mean it's just one project that has issues? Can you try other projects? C Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track. This is a good suggestion, particularly if the RPP was originally created with an old version of the plugin. The saved plugin state in the RPP from an old version could confuse the new version. Hello Simon, here's the info: A) 2/2ch 2048spls 47/47ms ASIO 48khz 24 bt PLUGIN 2025 v7.0.10 BIAB 2025.0.0.1124 SSL ASIO driver B) Just the one at the moment. I've tried a few more without the initial issue of count in going wonky & haven't pushed them into the next stage as I don't want to, erroneously, scar a project. I did get a message, this morning, that the time signatures were different between DAW & Plug so change the DAW to 4/4 instead of 8/4, saved it under a new name, closed it, opened it, added the plug, selected the SGU, song opened, chart opened, then Reaper crashed. C) Yeah, I did that the day before yesterday and a few times today. Crashes every time.
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Can you try with VST2 if you are using the VST3
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I went to download the latest 2024 Plugin Installer but there is only Band-in-a-Box® Version 2024 Build 1113 Update (500 MB)This patch will update Band-in-a-Box® 2024 to Build 1113 from any previous 2024 build. This includes VST DAW Plugin 6.1.13. I don't know why they don't have just the Plugin Installer for download rather than the massive 500 MB package. I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it. This is the latest ones in the Plugin Forum: Band-in-a-Box 2024 Build 1109 Update (with DAW Plugin 6.1.4) (Jan 30) by Andrew - PG Music Band-in-a-Box® 2024 - DAW Plugin Version 6 New Features Video by Callie - PG Music A bit of neglect  ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30108&filename=BB24-PG-Download.png)
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B) Just the one at the moment. I've tried a few more without the initial issue of count in going wonky & haven't pushed them into the next stage as I don't want to, erroneously, scar a project. I did get a message, this morning, that the time signatures were different between DAW & Plug so change the DAW to 4/4 instead of 8/4, saved it under a new name, closed it, opened it, added the plug, selected the SGU, song opened, chart opened, then Reaper crashed. Can you try that with a different song, after making a backup of the RPP first of course? Can you try with VST2 if you are using the VST3 Excellent suggestion - to get the VST2 version, please navigate to X:\bb\Data\Installers (where X is wherever BIAB is installed), then run the biab_daw_plugin installer - there should be one there that says 7.0.10. When installing, make sure to select Custom Installation then check the box for VST2 64-bit (NOT the one that says VST2 FX). On a later page of the installer there should be a checkbox to install to C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2 (e.g. Reaper) - check that one and continue. Once it's installed, Reaper should scan it on next launch, then you can find it in the plugins list under VSTi or under PG Music. I don't know why they don't have just the Plugin Installer for download rather than the massive 500 MB package. Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer. I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it. Please don't, for the reasons listed above.
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"Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer."
I suggested he use the 2024 vst with the 2025 bbw4 if not he can use the 2024 vst with the 2024 bbw4.
I do this all the time to work issues out.
This way you can get something working if you are broken down on the side of the road.
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Another option is use Free Element VST load that then load or drag n drop the VST2/VST3 into it enabling the EXT button top left to let it sync. I hope you are not still stuck broken down on the side of the road. If you need help you can PM me. EDIT: you don't get the Reaper features using this.
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Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer. I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it. Please don't, for the reasons listed above. That is what I always thought until recently users have shown me how to load the prior V6 of the VST into the BIAB 2025. So you can go back and it does allow one to return to last years working VST plugin with this years BIAB. PM me if you want instructions.
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Indeed for me V7 (04 or 10) does not work correctly in generating instructions in Reaper. It takes a huge amount of time compared to versions 6.XX and above all the tracks are offset, they start too early (often on the and of the 3), and I can't correct it at all.
Then in Studio One, the generation does not work either and the simplest is the generation of wav, so we lose all the interest of the Plugin instructions. I don't really know how to film my screen to show you but it's pretty obvious that I have a bug. If anyone can get results, give me some advice. Thanks.
(V6 proudly displays "song generated in 2.6 sec. while I'm still waiting for V7.) Try it on _CERAMIC, you'll understand.
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I am so impressed with the thorough regression testing done before a new release.
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At the same time, if only 0.2% of us are trying to run the plugin, it's really not a problem for the others, I have to admit.
It's already been over a month that I'm stuck on this, I'll keep the V6 for good, no choice.
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https://www.cockos.com/licecap/Yes we need the biab_daw_plugin.exe installers available for download If you have issues with the Plugin in Reaper you can use Import-frozen-SGU-MGU-realtracks-drums-tracks-GUI.zip This will also fit the sections from Biab to any tempo map. You simply freeze the track or tracks or sections, Save the SGU, then open in Reaper, Reload tracks each time you have made changes in Biab but always Save SGU first. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27687&filename=Reaper-Import-SGU-Track-Choice.gif)
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In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!
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zplane recently interviewed Peter Gannon, the founder and creator of Band-in-a-Box, about the software's early days, what sets it apart from AI, how zplane's audio algorithms are used in Band-in-a-Box, and more!
Special thanks to the team at zplane for their continued support.
Check out the full interview here: https://products.zplane.de/blog/peter-gannon-interview-pg-music
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