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That's it for me, these posts got deleted like so many other posts. I tried my best but I'm going now, if it's a fair thing what they have done then good things will come their way, if not let's see what happens with the future of PG. All I know is that when I leave this world to God I have done the right thing. For me the absolute best feature I used of version 7 of the plugin (and in general BiaB 2025) is THISLOL I wish I could get a refund on all the man hours I put into it year in year out frown This is what I used to do, record, mix, make up tracks with BB/RB then create videos for artist that went on CMT but there were too many issues with BB/RB so I had to go full time trying to make them modern and professional since 2009. I don't think I'll be getting back to that, in this lifetime anyway. Don't think there's a roadmap. Its been a discussion point by users for at least 3-4 years.
Pgm response so far seems to be: "You don't need that."
It will happen one day, imo, a few months before AAPL decides to shut down Rosetta.
Very willing to be wrong.......again. I'm disappointed with the lack of progress or even news about a future M1 native version that does not require Rosetta. I'm a longtime customer, but I'm not buying again until there's a native M1 version.
I understand how hard it is for a small company with an aged code base to migrate to a new approach. My suspicion is it will never happen because the code base and compiler are so ancient. At some point, Apple will stop supporting Rosetta and then what? this was the same statement when Win users kept asking for a 64bit version of Biab, "JBridge is just fine", it was argued so hard by PG for years.....until Apple banned 32bit apps, only then did PG create a 64bit Biab. I have been trying hard to get PG to move the generate code to the C++ JUCE Biab VST plug-in to give a full crossplatform for Mac at the same time as Win. It's a shame that PG have to spend 6 months on Win then another 6 months on Mac to code the same thing. With the JUCE Plug-in it is ready now for Win and Mac as being JUCE it can be compiled to and OS standalone or Plug-in, this means there could be and iPad version. But the wait will be the backend bbw4.app that has to wait 6 months. Using JUCE will give better UI and things will be implemented easier. I think every other company has a Win/Mac and even Linux version released at the same time ! If something unforeseen happens, do we then panic and run to transfer to a true crossplatform programing ? I suppose why do the right thing when it can be put off, stick with 255 bar limit and time signatures that won't match your DAW and have to stay inside Biab to work also. But why listen to the rantings of a crazy man, the voice of one crying in the wilderness. JUCE is a cross platform framework allowing a single codebase to compile to native applications and plug-ins with the same user experience on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, across both desktop and mobile. Native applications can be launched in the iOS and Android device simulators to simplify testing and debugging, and can be packaged up for distribution within the mobile app stores.
JUCE is the most widely used framework for audio application and plug-in development. It is an open source C++ codebase that can be used to create standalone software on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, as well as VST, VST3, AU, AUv3, AAX and LV2 plug-ins.
JUCE allows developers to focus on the most valuable parts of their software by taking care of the differences between operating systems (both desktop and mobile) and plug-in formats. With JUCE’s library of digital audio processing (DSP) building blocks you can quickly prototype and release native applications and plug-ins with a consistent user experience across all supported platforms. Using JUCE also future-proofs your products against operating system and plug-in host updates.
JUCE makes it easy to create both standalone audio applications or plug-ins that can be loaded inside digital audio workstations (DAWs) like Logic, Live, Pro Tools, FL Studio or Cubase. A single JUCE project can be used to create VST, VST3, AU, AUv3, AAX and LV2 plug-ins from the same source code, and also provides the functionality required to host these plug-in formats in your own software.
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That's it for me, these posts got deleted like so many other posts. I tried my best but I'm going now, if it's a fair thing what they have done then good things will come their way, if not let's see what happens with the future of PG. All I know is that when I leave this world to God I have done the right thing. For me the absolute best feature I used of version 7 of the plugin (and in general BiaB 2025) is THISLOL I wish I could get a refund on all the man hours I put into it year in year out frown This is what I used to do, record, mix, make up tracks with BB/RB then create videos for artist that went on CMT but there were too many issues with BB/RB so I had to go full time trying to make them modern and professional since 2009. I don't think I'll be getting back to that, in this lifetime anyway. Don't think there's a roadmap. Its been a discussion point by users for at least 3-4 years.
Pgm response so far seems to be: "You don't need that."
It will happen one day, imo, a few months before AAPL decides to shut down Rosetta.
Very willing to be wrong.......again. I'm disappointed with the lack of progress or even news about a future M1 native version that does not require Rosetta. I'm a longtime customer, but I'm not buying again until there's a native M1 version.
I understand how hard it is for a small company with an aged code base to migrate to a new approach. My suspicion is it will never happen because the code base and compiler are so ancient. At some point, Apple will stop supporting Rosetta and then what? this was the same statement when Win users kept asking for a 64bit version of Biab, "JBridge is just fine", it was argued so hard by PG for years.....until Apple banned 32bit apps, only then did PG create a 64bit Biab. I have been trying hard to get PG to move the generate code to the C++ JUCE Biab VST plug-in to give a full crossplatform for Mac at the same time as Win. It's a shame that PG have to spend 6 months on Win then another 6 months on Mac to code the same thing. With the JUCE Plug-in it is ready now for Win and Mac as being JUCE it can be compiled to and OS standalone or Plug-in, this means there could be and iPad version. But the wait will be the backend bbw4.app that has to wait 6 months. Using JUCE will give better UI and things will be implemented easier. I think every other company has a Win/Mac and even Linux version released at the same time ! If something unforeseen happens, do we then panic and run to transfer to a true crossplatform programing ? I suppose why do the right thing when it can be put off, stick with 255 bar limit and time signatures that won't match your DAW and have to stay inside Biab to work also. But why listen to the rantings of a crazy man, the voice of one crying in the wilderness. JUCE is a cross platform framework allowing a single codebase to compile to native applications and plug-ins with the same user experience on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, across both desktop and mobile. Native applications can be launched in the iOS and Android device simulators to simplify testing and debugging, and can be packaged up for distribution within the mobile app stores.
JUCE is the most widely used framework for audio application and plug-in development. It is an open source C++ codebase that can be used to create standalone software on Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and Android, as well as VST, VST3, AU, AUv3, AAX and LV2 plug-ins.
JUCE allows developers to focus on the most valuable parts of their software by taking care of the differences between operating systems (both desktop and mobile) and plug-in formats. With JUCE’s library of digital audio processing (DSP) building blocks you can quickly prototype and release native applications and plug-ins with a consistent user experience across all supported platforms. Using JUCE also future-proofs your products against operating system and plug-in host updates.
JUCE makes it easy to create both standalone audio applications or plug-ins that can be loaded inside digital audio workstations (DAWs) like Logic, Live, Pro Tools, FL Studio or Cubase. A single JUCE project can be used to create VST, VST3, AU, AUv3, AAX and LV2 plug-ins from the same source code, and also provides the functionality required to host these plug-in formats in your own software.
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Musocity, you have made huge contributions and those contributions will continue, even if you think they won't.
In many ways you care too much, which makes you sometimes a bit 'full on'.
PGM has massive inertia on some things, but even a supertanker responds eventually. There are signs of that response ... how much it will be I know not, but I hope that turn has at least started.
God bless.
Gordon.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
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I agree with Gordon. Many of us over the years encouraged you to lighten up a bit. I feel sad for you that you gave up recording mixing and helping others create to try to force a company to go the way you feel is best for them. It is one thing to make good suggestions and offer ideas quite another to battle like you are fighting for a cure for cancer or world peace. You are a smart and capable guy. Thousands and thousands of songs and videos are made every year without BiaB or for that matter Reaper, or Studio one or Cakewalk. There are so many options to create audio and video today. If BiaB never developed another feature the industry would go on unfazed. If BiaB never existing the industry would not morn what it does not have.
I am a locksmith by trade, and i love my milwaukee tools but if they did not exist i would be fine with DeWalt or heck Ryobi would get the job done. In fact people got jobs done with what was avalble to them at the time.
Do yourself a huge favor and do not make another how to get BiaB to do something video until you write, record, and master a nice song and video. Find some joy in the process. If BiaB gets things done use it, if not use what does. I have to be honest with you, if you can't create a song with the tools available today then you need to find something else to do. Many grammy winning projects were made with Far worse tools than BiaB. And no i am not being and old guard and saying that development of Software should cease and desist. I am simply suggesting one music lover to another that you move on and go back and find your groove and don't make this your constant focus. I think somewhere along the way you lost yourself. If you can find yourself again then you will feel free to offer help to people around here with your longtime insight into how this software works.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
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I agree with Gordon and Rob, you have made great contributions and provided great ideas from which we have all benefited. But please don't take BIAB (or any other tool) too seriously. Enjoy the music and take care of yourself. Best, Sergio.
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