[b][/b] Hello, I just purchased this add-on and discovered after loading it didn't sound quite like the original sample I'd heard. I'd missed that it didn't include drums which I'd like to have on some songs. I also get a message: 'RealDrums not found Jazz Waltz'.
PG Support said that I would need to add a drum set I like from the mixer window. I tried to do this, not really knowing which drum type would suit, but nothing happened.
I'm hoping someone can help and take me through step by step to add drums that may suit this style.
The drums that are default with those styles load and play perfectly for all 4 demo songs. In your mixer window, do you show RealDrums=JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride as your drum style for each style?
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Last edited by Joseph Land; 02/15/2506:21 AM.
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The drums that are default with those styles load and play perfectly for all 4 demo songs. In your mixer window, do you show RealDrums=JazzBrishesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride as your drum style for each style?
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Yes they play in the demo but not in your song. How to add drums is in my next message.
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I bought RealTracks Set 28 for Windows. I tried a couple of styles on a current track - Medium Jazz Waltz w/guitar and also piano.
To add drums to these styles just right click on the drum label, left click on find a drum sub, then pick a drum kit. This will replace the non-working drums with ones that work; see pic.
I hope this helps and good luck.
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I bought RealTracks Set 28 for Windows. I tried a couple of styles on a current track - Medium Jazz Waltz w/guitar and also piano.
To add drums to these styles just right click on the drum label, left click on find a drum sub, then pick a drum kit. This will replace the non-working drums with ones that work; see pic.
I hope this helps and good luck.
If you create a new song with a blank chord sheet with either of the 4 styles that come in set #28, the drum track is automatically populated with JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
You should not have to manually add the drum track.
You need to let us know the actual scenario you is encountering with this quick test.
FoxTerrier do the following and let us know the results.
Open up BIAB and start a new song and make the style _JWLZ_BP.STY. You don't need to add chords at this point.
1. Is the drum track populated with JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride? If so is it colored green and is it playing when you start the single chord song? Under normal circumstances the answer should be YES
or
2. Is the drum track NOT populated with JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride.
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If you create a new song with a blank chord sheet with either of the 4 styles that come in set #28, the drum track is automatically populated with JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
You should not have to manually add the drum track.
You need to let us know the actual scenario you is encountering with this quick test. ......................................
That is exactly what I did, i.e. blank chord sheet. The dot left of the drums was dark (it might be black but I am partially colorblind) and no drums were playing, even when soloed.
If this is working for you then the problem might be at my end.
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Thank you very much for your replies and steps to check out.
MarioD Yesterday I tried a manual add-on to an existing song through the mixer. This worked, great, but after saving it and trying later I got an error message. 'RealDrums not found Style Jazz Brushes Waltz
Joseph Land: Today I tried your advice on a new song . The Drums in the mixer show ** N/A** RealDrums= Jazz Brushes.
There were also the att. messages
I have activated the rebuild which made no difference.
If you create a new song with a blank chord sheet with either of the 4 styles that come in set #28, the drum track is automatically populated with JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
You should not have to manually add the drum track.
You need to let us know the actual scenario you is encountering with this quick test. ......................................
That is exactly what I did, i.e. blank chord sheet. The dot left of the drums was dark (it might be black but I am partially colorblind) and no drums were playing, even when soloed.
If this is working for you then the problem might be at my end.
I just tried it again with a new blank song that used the old default ZZJAZZ.STY (Jazz Swing Style) so only midi was populated in the drum track. I then chose the style _JWLZ_BG.STY (Medium Jazz Waltz w/ Guitar) and the mixer was automatically populated with the followng:
RealTracks in style: ~546:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealTracks in style: ~549:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealDrums in style:JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
The drums played correctly.
****** Song Summary ************* Title: Untitled Song Key=C , Tempo 140, Length (m:s)=0:46 No intro. 32 bar chorus, from bar 1 to bar 32. Repeat x1 chorus No Melody No Soloist track. Song is saved with Volume, Pan, Reverb, Chorus, Bank0, Style is _JWLZ_BG.STY (Medium Jazz Waltz w/ Guitar)
RealTracks in style: ~546:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealTracks in style: ~549:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealDrums in style:JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
Last edited by Joseph Land; 02/15/2512:04 PM.
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Thank you very much for your replies and steps to check out.
MarioD Yesterday I tried a manual add-on to an existing song through the mixer. This worked, great, but after saving it and trying later I got an error message. 'RealDrums not found Style Jazz Brushes Waltz
Joseph Land: Today I tried your advice on a new song . The Drums in the mixer show ** N/A** RealDrums= Jazz Brushes.
There were also the att. messages
I have activated the rebuild which made no difference.
Further suggestions are welcome.
Thanks.
FoxTerrier: Verify the following for us.
1. You should have a directory listed at C:\bb\drums named JazzBrushesWaltz. That is where BIAB will be looking for that particular drum for that style. Check the Memo on that style and that will show you what should be automatically loaded for either of the 4 styles in set # 28. Either of those 4 styles will be looking for the RealDrums as listed in #3 below and is expecting to find them there, otherwise I am assuming that is why you are getting the NA in the mixer. 2. If you do have that directory where it should be, you should have around 40 files there including BT0 files, WMA files, MGU files and TXT files. 3. In your preferences under Preferences, RealDrums the screen should look like this screen shot. Keep in mind that my BIAB is on a "D" drive. If yours is on the "C" drive it will have a "C" drive path at the top right showing so. See my screen shot.
You can always revert to factory settings to see if that clears your problem.
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Joseph, as the OP had issues and I had the same problem I had just assumed it was a universal issue; I know assume got me in trouble again! However the drums worked for you so it must have been my system. After a return to factory reset everything is back to normal and yes the drums do work in those styles.
Note I have no idea what went wrong but I should have tried the return to factory prior to posting - my bad.
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Joseph, as the OP had issues and I had the same problem I had just assumed it was a universal issue; I know assume got me in trouble again! However the drums worked for you so it must have been my system. After a return to factory reset everything is back to normal and yes the drums do work in those styles.
Note I have no idea what went wrong but I should have tried the return to factory prior to posting - my bad.
No problem on that. I have used the RTFS myself over the years when nothing else helped. I do actually really enjoy trying to solve these types of problems. Helps keep my brain active.
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I just tried it again with a new blank song that used the old default ZZJAZZ.STY (Jazz Swing Style) so only midi was populated in the drum track. I then chose the style _JWLZ_BG.STY (Medium Jazz Waltz w/ Guitar) and the mixer was automatically populated with the following:
RealTracks in style: ~546:Bass, Acoustic, Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealTracks in style: ~549:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Jazz Waltz Sw 140 RealDrums in style:JazzBrushesWaltz: a: Brushes b: Snare, Ride
The drums played correctly.
I tried this without doing a reset to factory settings and it worked fine. BiaB 2025 Ultra.
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I've removed original downloads, reloaded, rebuilt, and also tried RTF. As yet no luck with the missing drum brushes. Screenshots att. have I missed something - what can I try next?
Have you done a slow rebuild of the styles? Don't do a fast rebuild.
You seem to be missing quite a lot of files in those screenshots. For example I am not seeing MidiStyle set #0 which is a basic style set that comes with every single BIAB package since day one. With the screen shot you sent, I cant tell if you have the scroll bar down towards the bottom or not. Since you are using BIAB Pro 2023 version, I would think that you should have more midi styles installed then what I am seeing. Send another screen shot with the entire screen shown. There should not be that many Midi Styles Sets (Not Shown) showing up. Something just does not look right.
The problem is that I am not sure what PGMusic supplied in the ProPak, since is the just the basic program. I would be calling them up on Monday to find out what MIDI Style sets were included in the 2023 Pro version, not that that's your problem but it looks strange to me. Your screen shot shows MIDI Sets #63,70 and 86 found but NOT #4,5,6,8 and who knows what else that is not showing up in the screen shot.
Also, did you run the BIAB Cleanup Routine? That file is BB_Cleanup.exe and is in the BB\Data directory.
Last edited by Joseph Land; 02/16/2501:12 PM.
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First off, I apologise if what I write below has been covered by others. I haven't read through all the posts, so I don't know if I am doubling up on information or not.
From the details on PG Music's website, it seems that Realtracks Set 28 only contains Realtracks and does not include Realdrums. I've taken the attached image from the webpage below.
Because your BIAB is not loading the Realdrums in the style, I'm guessing that this means that BIAB 2023 Pro does not include these Realdrums. I'm not certain about that, though. It could easily be confirmed with a quick chat to sales staff at PG Music using Live Chat. The 'Pro' package of BIAB is the entry-level package and it doesn't contain everything.
If it is indeed the case that Set 28 does not include the Realdrums, Mario's post explains how to load in an alternative set of Realdrums. I'm pretty sure that you would have a swing jazz waltz set that would do the job fine. After you load in your chosen drums, make sure to save a songfile. The next time you load this songfile, it will already be set up for you to use the Realdrums that you loaded. Simply changing the Realdrums does not overwrite the base style file. This means that next time you load the style, you will also need to add the Realdrums manually.
First off, I apologise if what I write below has been covered by others. I haven't read through all the posts, so I don't know if I am doubling up on information or not.
From the details on PG Music's website, it seems that Realtracks Set 28 only contains Realtracks and does not include Realdrums. I've taken the attached image from the webpage below.
Because your BIAB is not loading the Realdrums in the style, I'm guessing that this means that BIAB 2023 Pro does not include these Realdrums. I'm not certain about that, though. It could easily be confirmed with a quick chat to sales staff at PG Music using Live Chat. The 'Pro' package of BIAB is the entry-level package and it doesn't contain everything.
If it is indeed the case that Set 28 does not include the Realdrums, Mario's post explains how to load in an alternative set of Realdrums. I'm pretty sure that you would have a swing jazz waltz set that would do the job fine. After you load in your chosen drums, make sure to save a songfile. The next time you load this songfile, it will already be set up for you to use the Realdrums that you loaded. Simply changing the Realdrums does not overwrite the base style file. This means that next time you load the style, you will also need to add the Realdrums manually.
That's what I am seeing on the webpage about what RealDrums were supplied:
"There are hundreds of RealDrums styles available for Jazz, Rock-Pop, Country and more! All of the RealDrums Sets are included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Editions of Band-in-a-Box."
The evidently are NOT included in the ProPAK
The RealDrums he needs are on RealDrum set #2
RealDrums Set 2: Waltzes, Country and More!
RealDrums Set 2 features both even 8ths and Swing Waltzes, as well as straight-ahead Jazz, Reggae, and a selection of Country styles. The PopWaltz and JazzBrushesWaltz styles feature cool brushes playing in the "A" section, and then switches to sticks in the "B" section to give your song a boost of energy. The Jazz style features classic hi hat patterns through the "A" section, and then switches to the ride cymbal for the "B" section. There are three Country styles to choose from, including CountryEven16, CountryEven8 and CountrySwing. The even 8 and even 16 styles are great to use for modern radio Country, and CountrySwing can be used for a great old Texas Swing tune. Also included is a Reggae groove that sits right in the pocket. All RealDrums styles were recorded with top session players, so you know you're getting the best! Hide Demos
Further update: I tried the slow rebuild with no change. I contacted PG Music Chat and sent them screenshots of styles - he advised that "19% is the correct number for the Pro version of Band-in-a-Box". However he did not have access to the full Windows list for me to see and asked me to email a request which I've done to both sales & support. Awaiting a response.
It's a bit disconcerting to find that what seemed a basic query is not so basic after all. It's such a brilliant package but not straightforward for non- techy peeps.
............................... It's a bit disconcerting to find that what seemed a basic query is not so basic after all. It's such a brilliant package but not straightforward for non- techy peeps.
That has been a concern for a number of years now. PGMusic has asked for GUI suggestions in the wishlist form. Feel free to put your suggestions for improvement there. It would be very helpful coming from a new user.
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I'm sorry but you should have bought the REALDRUMS 28 Smooth Jazz set which have only drums not the REALTRACKS 28 Jazz Waltz which only have instruments. See if PG Music can exchange the packages.
I'm sorry but you should have bought the REALDRUMS 28 Smooth Jazz set which have only drums not the REALTRACKS 28 Jazz Waltz which only have instruments. See if PG Music can exchange the packages.
Keith
It's the Jazz Waltz style instruments I wanted which suits some classic 3/4 numbers. I missed there were no drums.
Following up from private message with FoxTerrier, if drums are showing up as NA in the MultiPicker picker, click on the Settings button at the top of the window then make sure Show RealDrums That Are N/A is unchecked.
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