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Long story short, I was running the board at a friends home studio. we were recording dialog voice over content to a single track. First two tracks went great. Then I armed for track 3, hit record and we immediatly hear a low hum on the track. Not enough to stop us but enough to have to use post production processing to remove a 60 Hz hum from the track. Same thing happen on the final track 4.

How could this happen in the middle of our recording session. Nothing was moved and nothing was changed.

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Sounds like maybe a ground loop problem.
Can't say why it happened all of sudden but you might try minimizing the number of outlets involved.


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Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc?


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc?

Well not that I know of. But I was only in the bedroom studio. With the vocal talent at the mic. There were others in the house.


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Heat kicked on smile


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Was the volume or impedance or something set differently for track 3?


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AT, I change nothing between track 2 (no hum) and track 3 (hum). But rharv may have a point. It is cold here these days and I may not have heard the furnace. The home owner says he gets this hum in the past with his system and has never figured out where it originates. In fact when I was helping him set things up, he did have a "black box gizmo" which he plugged a bunch of cables into which was intened to shield the signals. I removed it feeling it was not needed for a home studio setup and just added unnecessary complexity. And all work well a couple weeks ago when we recorded Segments 1 thru 13 of his project. But this time, from out of no where the hum returned.

BTW, I would love to tell you guys the full back story about this project... but that would take a huge posting which would need its own thread.


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Well, it sounds like you have narrowed it down a bit. Keep us in the loop.


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Good ideas so far. I hope the friend’s studio uses a dedicated circuit. Otherwise things like a furnace, fridge, air conditioner, ceiling fan, even a florescent light can do this. We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move.

Steve suggested ground loop. Get a $10 outlet tester and check every outlet that audio equipment could be plugged into, since cables connect the various devices. I always try to plug all connected audio into the same outlet.


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Originally Posted by rharv
Heat kicked on smile

Or the refrigerator.

I live in the middle of the Silicon Valley, one of the electrically noisiest places on the planet. I have a long list of solutions for this issue, not one completely effective. I use them in combination to get the job done: star-quad mic and instrument cables, ferrite beads for USB cables, iron rings, balanced step-up/step-down transformers… All contribute to the solution. My studio is dead quiet now as far as electrical noises are concerned.

The exception is star-quad power cables—no difference at all but not very expensive because I made my own.

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We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move.

My San Jose house had a radio tower 8 blocks away. Normally, not an issue unless I used an effects box on my guitar — useless! For the last 21 years, I’ve been renting that house to San Jose State music students and no one has complained about this, no idea why.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
... even a florescent light can do this. ...
cheap LEDs can as well, they can add a lot of interference to various things
I had to solve that once by process of elimination; unplugged landscape lighting and issue went away
Luckily I didn't have to move to solve that one smile

But yeah, something in the house kicked on, as mentioned it could be furnace, A/C, Fridge .. I guessed furnace just because of your location <grin>


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Yes, good point. Cheap LED's will most likely have a cheap switch-mode power supply. If it's really basic, it can generate unwanted noise that can propagate into other sensitive equipment.


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Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?
Your answers are always well grounded.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?
Your answers are always well grounded.
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.


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This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.

I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?

OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?

OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events.

I agree with Mario, even though I just had my morning coffee and am amped-up for more.


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"we were recording dialog voice over"
I assume separate mics? Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables). Last year I had an older (80s) mic with intermittent hum / grounding issues. If I held mic in hand - no humming. As soon as it went on stand -hum. I re-soldered internal connector and problem was gone. In any case, if it's mic related, I would try swapping cables / try another mic on same humming channel.

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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.

Or Tesla perhaps . . .


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I got the answer to my original question today. I got this email form my "client" where I experienced the hum but with no idea why it came and went...


"BTW, Justin, the film maker, was here a few weeks ago to scope out my studio room for the shoot. While here we talked about the mic line noise. He tested it, and he heard it. He tested and discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone."

Still hope to find time some day to tell you all about this project I stumbled into. It is just now starting to go public so I can send a link at some time.

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Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th smile
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Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables).

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Originally Posted by Rustyspoon#
Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th smile
Originally Posted by Rustyspoon#
Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables).
Winner.

I just had a new mic cable (XLR) prove bad.


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Of couse Rusty that is why I brought this question here. grin

Now for a bit of the back story...

I stumbled onto an interesting opportunity to do some audio editing for a project involving a videographer recording narration of his video (voice over work).
I have to be a bit secretive here. This individual is a professional musician who some years back suffered a stroke and lost his ability to sing/speak. He has been preparing a life history video for the past couple years. He is at the stage where he is having a voice over actor come in to record the narration in his home studio. All the final video and mixing will be done in a professional studio.

Unfortunately, his home studio was in disarray and not fully installed in the current location. His stroke caused cognitive damage and he was unable to get his gear up and running. He reached out via our local town FB, looking for someone in the area who could help with setup. Now I am not a sound engineer, but I can set up a DAW and associated equipment (which by the way was all pro level gear). I stopped by and got things installed and operational. But his DAW was Studio 1 One version 7. Which I have no experience with. Since he wanted to get recording immediately, I installed Reaper and showed him how to arm and record a track. He took notes but communicated to me that he was not able to run the board due to his illness. Long story short I have now recorded 13 individual narratives with his voice over artist. He has taken all our tracks to his pro studio where they have incorporated them into a master mix.

This week he has the camera crew coming to film him in his home studio playing live and needs backing drums and Guitar FX. He asked me to come over to install and setup his EzDrummer and Amplitube plugins.

He has promised me he will find some small place in the movie credits to call me out by name for “engineering support”. What a treat for me! I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public.

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This is all great Dan!

Well done !!


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discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone."

There are few things worse than chasing down a noise and finding it to be the brand new cables—as I found out reconditioning a turntable for my kids and connecting with set of hookup wires I bought off Amazon because I wanted them next day. Grrr…

Buying cable can be quite frustrating these days. Many brands one has never heard of, all looking great but rebranding crap as above. Tried and true brands such as ProCo not being available in music stores anymore, way overpriced boutique cables making nonsense promises, the list goes on…

I now buy custom starquad cables made by Sescom through Markertek. Nine lengths in any of eight colors—a 25’ mic cable is $27.49. Some colors are in stock; others may take up to two weeks. Only downside is the lead time. They have thousands of standard options but truly custom cables are available with a minor upcharge. Markertek started off as a broadcast supply house and is the go-to for most large studios etc. I discovered them about 50 years ago

As I’ve posted before, Starquad is actually quieter than 2-conductor balanced wire but only in an electrically noisy environment such as mine in the middle of the SiliconValley. If you can’t hear a difference, you didn’t need it—I do but, at these prices, I see no need to use anything else. Sescom uses Canare, Belden and Mogami if you need really thin cable. I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio.


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Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there.

And Sescom is far less expensive through them than buying directly.


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Good to know. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public.
That's awesome, looking forward to the update!

Originally Posted by Mike Halloran
I now buy custom starquad cables
Starquad is absolutely where it's at for noise rejection at the cable level. For everyone else reading though keep in mind that there are a lot of potential noise sources and cabling is only one of them - worth buying if you need cables, but maybe not worth replacing all the existing cable in your studio.

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I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio.
Not terribly surprised at that - where you live the noise is much more likely to be coming from outside your studio.


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I learned my "humming cable" lesson the hard way. Few years back my old cable gave up, so I bought a pair of "average" cables from a reputable major music vendor. When they arrived... I tried one. Humming. I spent hours, thinking grounding issues, mic connector, interface, faulty computer hardware, radio interference, aliens... Then I tried second "new" cable (from same mfg.) thinking maybe first was defective. Same deal. Thankfully I've decided not to purchase a new interface, instead bought a much fancier Canare Quad Cable L-4E6S with Neutrik Gold XLR. Humming was gone. 6+ years, still going strong.

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Of couse Rusty that is why I brought this question here. grin

Now for a bit of the back story...

I stumbled onto an interesting opportunity to do some audio editing for a project involving a videographer recording narration of his video (voice over work).
I have to be a bit secretive here. This individual is a professional musician who some years back suffered a stroke and lost his ability to sing/speak. He has been preparing a life history video for the past couple years. He is at the stage where he is having a voice over actor come in to record the narration in his home studio. All the final video and mixing will be done in a professional studio.

Unfortunately, his home studio was in disarray and not fully installed in the current location. His stroke caused cognitive damage and he was unable to get his gear up and running. He reached out via our local town FB, looking for someone in the area who could help with setup. Now I am not a sound engineer, but I can set up a DAW and associated equipment (which by the way was all pro level gear). I stopped by and got things installed and operational. But his DAW was Studio 1 One version 7. Which I have no experience with. Since he wanted to get recording immediately, I installed Reaper and showed him how to arm and record a track. He took notes but communicated to me that he was not able to run the board due to his illness. Long story short I have now recorded 13 individual narratives with his voice over artist. He has taken all our tracks to his pro studio where they have incorporated them into a master mix.

This week he has the camera crew coming to film him in his home studio playing live and needs backing drums and Guitar FX. He asked me to come over to install and setup his EzDrummer and Amplitube plugins.

He has promised me he will find some small place in the movie credits to call me out by name for “engineering support”. What a treat for me! I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public.

Dan

I attended the priemere release of the 90 minute Documentary In search of his lost Cords. This is the story of Eric Kinkel, who is the musician who I referered in this thread last spring. The link is for the Trailer. The entire film can be found on Vimeo. I did some very minor work on the production of this documentary which I had shared above. At the end of the showing, lights came up and the audio was stopped as they rolled credits. Few if any paid any attention to the listing, except me. There near the end of the roll was "Dan Hoch - Audio Assistance." I was so excited!
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 11 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!

XPro Styles PAK 11 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 (and higher) is here with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 31 RealTracks/RealDrums!

Guess who’s back again? That’s right! It’s our XPro Styles PAK’s triumphant return with the 11th edition in this series! 100 new styles are coming your way spread across the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres. And this edition's wildcard genre explores the immense and far-reaching catalogue of electronic music! The included 31 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1-11 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 11 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2026 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 22 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2026 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

It’s time to celebrate! Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Band-in-a-Box® is here, and we've got 200 brand-new styles coming your way!

No Xtra Styles PAK is complete without the classic rock & pop, jazz, and country volumes you know and love, and we’ve got plenty to share, with 150 styles spread across too many genres to list! Of course, it also wouldn’t be complete with our special wildcard volume to add a little spice and pizzazz to the mix. This year, because we loved it so much the first time, we’ve decided to make the second iteration of our SynthMaster volume, full of new sounds, interesting genres, and 50 engaging styles, all making use of the diverse SynthMaster plugin! Here you can find genres such as airy yacht rock, sultry electrotango, and even some synth soca funk. Don’t wait, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 22 today!

In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!

Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1-22 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 22 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 22.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 22 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 22 requires the 2026 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 11 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!

XPro Styles PAK 11 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 (and higher) is here with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 31 RealTracks/RealDrums!

Guess who’s back again? That’s right! It’s our XPro Styles PAK’s triumphant return with the 11th edition in this series! 100 new styles are coming your way spread across the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres. And this edition's wildcard genre explores the immense and far-reaching catalogue of electronic music! The included 31 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1-11 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 11 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2026 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 22 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2026 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2026 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

It’s time to celebrate! Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Band-in-a-Box® is here, and we've got 200 brand-new styles coming your way!

No Xtra Styles PAK is complete without the classic rock & pop, jazz, and country volumes you know and love, and we’ve got plenty to share, with 150 styles spread across too many genres to list! Of course, it also wouldn’t be complete with our special wildcard volume to add a little spice and pizzazz to the mix. This year, because we loved it so much the first time, we’ve decided to make the second iteration of our SynthMaster volume, full of new sounds, interesting genres, and 50 engaging styles, all making use of the diverse SynthMaster plugin! Here you can find genres such as airy yacht rock, sultry electrotango, and even some synth soca funk. Don’t wait, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 22 today!

In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!

Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1-22 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 22 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 22.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 22 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 22 requires the 2026 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Peter Gannon Talks Band-in-a-Box with zplane

zplane recently interviewed Peter Gannon, the founder and creator of Band-in-a-Box, about the software's early days, what sets it apart from AI, how zplane's audio algorithms are used in Band-in-a-Box, and more!

Special thanks to the team at zplane for their continued support.

Check out the full interview here: https://products.zplane.de/blog/peter-gannon-interview-pg-music

Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!

Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!

We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.

Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.

There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!

Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!

Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!

Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!

There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.

When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.

Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.

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