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Mac and pc...any new tech rumours ??
1..MAC...anyone heard any rumours about further M series
processors...ie M5 and M6 etc ?
2..PC....now that microsoft are building asio into the OS
anyone heard of any advances re on board pc sound chips ??
i'm sorta wondering if the need for buying a usb interface
will go away...ie on board could be a interface industry disruptor.
all that would be needed would be a connector on the pc that would
be connected to a break out box to which mics and instruments
could be connected ??
btw talking of PC...on gearspace.com a MS product guy Pete Brown
(Psychlist1972 ?) has various interesting posts on what MS
is doing in the audio realm. very very knowledgeable.
(has his own studio.) his posts are very interesting.
gonna be very interesting times re mac and pc.
if anyone has info or insights on the above or interesting
tech developments for studios that might be on the
horizon...please comment etc etc.
happiness.
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1..MAC...anyone heard any rumours about further M series
processors...ie M5 and M6 etc ? No, nothing yet. 2..PC....now that microsoft are building asio into the OS
anyone heard of any advances re on board pc sound chips ?? No, nothing yet.
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It's all happening in IoT right now. Devices get power from the environment or use, like a controller that recharges the battery every time you push a key So it gets power from you. Rumor is that eventually you become 'one' with the controller because if you don't use it regularly it dies, but if you use it all the time it becomes your friend for life.  //disclaimer - the above is sarcasm please to do share on your social media
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No, I haven’t seen any chatter on these subjects.
About onboard PC sound chips, I have to wonder what the incentive would be to improve them. The RealTec chips play back audio files just fine for the masses. Anything an audio professional would use is outside the box.
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Aside from Thunderbolt 5, the M3 Ultra and M4 Max Studios shipping next month? Nah…
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ok ive spent some time googling mac m 5...
theres some interesting info out there.
maybe m5 macs later this year ??...dunno.
if apple follow the biz model for future macs like the iphones...
im gonna be curious how far they can take each new generation of the m series....whch begs the question how will amd and intel
respond ? yummy fun tech times...lol.
meanwhile im rooting for the cheap raspberry pi....lol.
if and when the pi gets another cpu upgrade...could be interesting.
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1..MAC...anyone heard any rumours about further M series
processors...ie M5 and M6 etc ? Apple tends to release new products only once a year. M4 released in October, that's probably when M5 will be released. Entirely speculation. 2..PC....now that microsoft are building asio into the OS That's news to me, and doesn't make any sense. ASIO only exists as a way of bypassing Windows. Rumor is that eventually you become 'one' with the controller because if you don't use it regularly it dies, but if you use it all the time it becomes your friend for life. I'm looking forward to having my own real Weighted Companion Cube. About onboard PC sound chips, I have to wonder what the incentive would be to improve them. The RealTec chips play back audio files just fine for the masses. Anything an audio professional would use is outside the box. Exactly. Onboard sound chips are always going to shoot for the bottom shelf. Thankfully bottom shelf these days is pretty decent, but I don't think it'll ever be more than that since that requires more expensive supporting circuitry (op amps, capacitors, etc) rather than just a single chip.
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Simon. re asio... maybe ive miread the announcement then. heres one link i found... https://midi.org/microsofts-major-moves-to-make-making-music-on-windows-easiernote also the guitarist demo at above link. the audio aspects are a ways down below midi details. from the ms devblog. ms have announced a new low latency driver for win on arm...followed by x86 intel is my understanding. they also talk about just plugging in. the way it reads to me is they are trying to do plug n play of an interface like apple core audio....?? maybe ive misunderstood. if im wrong why are they working on a new low latency driver ? now ya got me confused...lol. so will a user have to still worry installing a interface driver rather than useing the built in ms driver ....?? maybe im getting daft as i age...lol. what is your viewpoint on this new win driver ?? happiness. om
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2..PC....now that microsoft are building asio into the OS That's news to me, and doesn't make any sense. ASIO only exists as a way of bypassing Windows. It didn't make sense to me either, though I didn't read through the detail. More likely I think is that MS are improving the drivers within Windows to make ASIO 'unnecessary', at least with class-compliant devices, much as Linux and I believe MacOS have done for a long time.. How well that'll work out is another matter. We'll see I guess.
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I think they're trying to say that they've made their own generic ASIO driver that should work with most USB audio devices, but I'm not certain. In the article they also mentioned that Focusrite and Steinberg/Yamaha are making ARM native ASIO drivers for their devices - which is cool because that's what I have.
WaveRT is Microsoft's new audio system. From a quick web search, it seems like most people still feel that ASIO performs better - not to mention that most DAWs don't support it.
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Simon.
a question...why would i use a daw on arm versus a daw on amd or intel....advantages ? im kinda at a happy place currently with my new amd mini pc. and audient .
im kinda chuffed that arm was developed originally at cambridge uni being uk born. havent really kept up with arm tech
as to that new ms native driver i think its for plug n play without worrying bout other drivers. i just hope its very !ow latency.
btw do you see any time rb might run on mac m4 say natively ??
rb is coming along really well.
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btw do you see any time rb might run on mac m4 say natively ?? The decision was made long ago not to port RB to the Mac. The given reason is that, because GarageBand is free, RB for the Mac is redundant. It will be nice if BIAB becomes AS Native in 2025. We’ve not been given any heads up on this but it has been five years since the M1 was released.
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Mike. that mac m4 mini is one heck of a beast. but so is this to be fair...plus various flexibilities viz memory and upgrades...not a slouch...high single thread score... (various vids on you tube.) https://www.amazon.com/GEEKOM-GT1-U9-185H-Processor-Computers/dp/B0DG7WDW75?th=1there are various makers of powerfull mini pc's like... ..beelink ..GMKtec ..minisforum etc etc its a pity about rb native on mac beause rb does things gband doesnt. just my 2 cents. happiness. om
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a question...why would i use a daw on arm versus a daw on amd or intel....advantages ? im kinda at a happy place currently with my new amd mini pc. and audient . If it ain't broke, don't break it. The advantage would be efficiency - RISC vs CISC, and watts per operation. Again, if it ain't broke, don't throw money at it. Also, take a peek at the upcoming Lenovo Thinkcentre Neo 50q and the Ideacentre Mini X, both running Qualcomm ARM chips instead of Intel/AMD x86... I'm considering getting one when they launch (after a round or two of reviews to shake bugs out). btw do you see any time rb might run on mac m4 say natively ??
rb is coming along really well. RB is Windows only and will stay that way, so unless the ARM Mac's can run Windows...
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Simon.
tell me your views re the geekom mini pc beast i linked to upthread.
geekom minis are starting to find their way into some recording rigs.
note the following...
..cpu power and cores/threads.
and single core and math scores on cpubenchmark.net
..the method used for cooling and power.
and energy efficiency versus desktops
..AI features
..ssd slots expandability.
..array of ports and usb etc....includeing usb 4.
looks to me like the ports are beastly fast.
page down the link for tons of further tech info.
you tube has vids etc etc.
what is interesting with this new generation of mini pc's is some offer multiple m.2 ssd slots and more flexibility than traditional laptops.
frankly my new lesser specced mini pc eats bb for bfast.
gens in a blink of an idea....so this monster ??...lol.
exciting times.
yep...im watching what happens with snapdragon.
but frankly i think intel and amd wont cede market share easily.
more new generations coming.
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Being a newer company I wouldn't even look at them. No offence to them at all, but if I'm buying a work computer I'm either building it myself using parts from reputable companies that I'm familiar with, or I'm buying a prebuilt computer from one of the major companies like Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc. I buy computers for long-term use, and having never heard of Geekom before reading this thread I have no idea whether they'll still exist in 5 years - which is important for both sourcing replacement parts and for updated drivers and firmware. And if I'm buying a computer for play/gaming/etc then likely I'm building from scratch - though I've been using one of those handheld gaming computers a lot lately...
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Simon.
yep ive always stuck with big names but to be fair the company seems to be building a good rep from reviews ive seen.
as we all know people can get probs with any pc.
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so ive got a further deeper look at the mac m4 mini
at a tech store. did a special trip...lol.
while its a beast with a great processor...
some things troubled me...
1..i thought the boot from cold to desktop (after switching on power) would be faster. my new mini pc takes only a few secs.
talking of switches...
2..the power is on the underside of the mini !...huh ??
so one has to get ones finger underneath.
no biggie...but..why ? if its a case of small form factor my mini pc is small
but has the power switch on the side.
why not make the mini a tad bigger and put the power button so its easily accessible ??
3..the limited ports really troubled me. many mini pc's these days have a generous number of usb and other ports.
eg the geekom i linked to upthread and other mini pc's.
4..also troubling is the unified memory.
i really wish they would allow the ability to use third party memory...twould help musos who havent got a lot of money.
also my concern is producers who use a ton of instrument plugins which might consume lots of resources that need more memory than the basic amount.
5..i also wish like some mini pc's there was more internal expansion.
for example now some mini pc's allow a couple of internal m.2 ssd's or even more storage.
dont get me wrong...the mac mini is very very impressive.
im just troubled re the above points compared to various mini pc powerhouses.
(see the net for further info and competitive comparisons.)
i cant wait to see what further mini generations might be...assuming such come to market. exciting times.
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so ive got a further deeper look at the mac m4 mini
at a tech store. did a special trip...lol.
while its a beast with a great processor...
some things troubled me...
1..i thought the boot from cold to desktop (after switching on power) would be faster. my new mini pc takes only a few secs.
talking of switches...
2..the power is on the underside of the mini !...huh ??
so one has to get ones finger underneath.
no biggie...but..why ? if its a case of small form factor my mini pc is small
but has the power switch on the side.
why not make the mini a tad bigger and put the power button so its easily accessible ??
3..the limited ports really troubled me. many mini pc's these days have a generous number of usb and other ports.
eg the geekom i linked to upthread and other mini pc's.
4..also troubling is the unified memory.
i really wish they would allow the ability to use third party memory...twould help musos who havent got a lot of money.
also my concern is producers who use a ton of instrument plugins which might consume lots of resources that need more memory than the basic amount.
5..i also wish like some mini pc's there was more internal expansion.
for example now some mini pc's allow a couple of internal m.2 ssd's or even more storage.
dont get me wrong...the mac mini is very very impressive.
im just troubled re the above points compared to various mini pc powerhouses.
(see the net for further info and competitive comparisons.)
i cant wait to see what further mini generations might be...assuming such come to market. exciting times.
om My Mac Mini M4 takes around 17 seconds to boot to login. Enter password to ready screen takes another 5-6 seconds The power switch does not bother me none the thing fits in my hand As far as ports go I have a USB expansion connected to one of my USB which leaves me 4 extra ports on my mini. Yes memory upgrades are really out of the question with this little machine. What I did the first thing was use an external SSD to store all of my sound library's. Apple charges a ton for more memory and storage so them are things you have to consider. The Mac Mini M4 is a bargain considering how powerful this thing is. This machine really cooks and smokes my PC I also use has a AMD Rysen 7 with 8 core 3.59 Ghz processor with 32gb ram. I do not do video editing like Mike does which can really put a load on a machine. But it certainly can handle any audio tracks loaded with plugins and instruments I can throw at it. I personally do not need anything more than this for my use with music.
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