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I get it quicker in the Plugin without wav rendering than RealBand, so NDE should help RealBand immensely. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30120&filename=RealBand-Temp-WAVs.gif) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30123&filename=Reaper-BBPulugin-Gen.gif)
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MCity, nice demo, really 19 seconds verses 12 seconds. Not really a huge deal to me. You are dead right that NDE would be a great upgrade for RB. Still, many of the things you are suggesting while super cool are simply techie ideas. I am not saying they are wrong and that we should not ask for them but i don't think you see this from musician's viewpoint. Most of us are creating either songs to share or backing tracks to play with either with friends or live. 7 extra seconds to generate is not that bad. Most of us want wave files so that is not a big deal either. Most of us are very busy and having to cobble together scripts and third-party solutions is likely a no go. Me personally volunteer two days a week for a nonprofit, run a personal business three days a week, have numerous family and personal responsibilities to handle. Music is a beloved hobby and an occasional live show with a friend or two. Sometime the wife and I write and record a few songs for recreation. I just don't have time to fuss with extra pieces to make things work as you do. I also see that is why you keep pushing at PGM to incorporate these ideas. Just remember they are the only one who know what their long-term objectives are and what it takes to do these things.
I admire your effort, and the things you do for others. I sometimes wish you could see that there many different paths here and not everyone uses the software as you do. Speed while nice i like workflow enhancements better. Cleaner tool bars and menus, less clutter. enhanced processes. I am happy with RB as it is but would be super happy if it got a little more love. So having said that i do encourage you to keep on helping and offering solutions, just with a friendly word of caution, one i shared with a couple others recently. Don't get so caught up that you lose sight of the big picture here. This is for fun and recreation, and for a select few how they make their living. Do not let the journey wear you down. Enjoy the ride and the tools and do some real work. Make some music to share or enjoy. Smell the roses my friend. I guess what i am really trying to say is don't take it personal if PXGM does not chose to do what you ask them too, or that others see a different path. Offer what you feel is fair and then be at peace with it. Best to you and let's all see what comes out of this interesting dialog with PGM that just started.
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You have the above, they are all modern and non destructive like everything else is these days including Audacity now.
You don't go to their forums and ask them to devolution them to the 90's.
I'm only trying to bring PG into the modern age, looking at every other audio application this is what they all aim for and are designed for and used how I describe, in studio use you need it to be quick, ease of use for creativity flow, they are not all designed for just the home hobbyist that you can be laxed and get away with half baked things.
I don't see this from a musician's viewpoint as the musicians are the ones in the RealTracks and those in the studio hire musicians, sure if everyone was a musician and wanted auto-accompaniment for practice or learning, Biab was originally designed for this and we would not need DAW features and improvements, that seems to be where it's going now. If you work only with wav files as you say then Biab has had a DROP render to WAV for ages.
Reaper with it's scripting has a massive following, one of the biggest forums on the net, using scripts is a normal everyday thing, everyone thinks I'm saying use Reaper instead of PG products, if that's the case why do I spend so much time here trying to make the PG products better by learning from Reaper. I want the same for Mac users, I don't ignore them and just concentrate on Windows only.
I don't give PG ideas that are impossible for them to do, they are just industry standard things that the apps you have listed above use, same with Win 10 has got to be better than WinXP. They don't have to be years n years behind all the time with everything, they can be up there with all others, it's not something that's impossible as I show these things over n over.
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Okay so here is the question. I see the things you show and yes they all have merit. Getting them to work by using scripts and third party patches does not necessarily mean PGM can add that to RB. Let's just be real here. RB is not clip based in it's structure.
Still we do need a few well targeted upgrades. I would love to hear from PGM on this, and since they are asking maybe we can get that answer. I suggest we make a list of the 5 best upgrades that will make RB closer to the DAW it should be. Lets start with the obvious one you suggested and i will add 4 more then if you add your top 5 maybe we can get PGM (Andrew and Jeff Y Maybe Peter ) to respond and let us know what is possible.
No sense beating our heads against the wall making susggestions if the plan is set in stone to add a couple small upgrades each year and not address the bigger ones. I know you know what i mean.
1. Non Destructive Editing - in the tracks view with modern tools to copy paste, cut, split, etc. Without having to open a audio edit window.
2. Timeline visual for both tempo changes and Meter map changes
3. True master Channel instead of a main output. This needs to have the ability to add mastering Effects for final mixdown.
also needs to clean up the extra outputs and make them right click adds not there by default
same applies to the FX channels and or group channels. These should not be there unless you right click and add a channel.
sends should be added as needed above the track strip.
4. Combining the drop down list in the automation area into the right click menu.
5. Clean up the graphic and give RB a modern look. The new views and tool bar options are a good start.
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"Getting them to work by using scripts and third party patches does not necessarily mean PGM can add that to RB. Let's just be real here.RB is not clip based in it's structure"If this is what you mean by clip based it's the same way I showed from [R*****], same with the new Tracks View this can be copy and pasted from the Biab code into RealBand code, but it needs a bit of improvement with a drag up/down volume, fade drags, and to be able to copy to a new track that will allow building of any drum track you like as each clip has the whole Drum source file. You can't do this with consolidated wav files, you can't change a consolidated wav file from/to DI<>FX: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30151&filename=BB25-Clip-Based.gif)
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I wish i had your abilities with scripting maybe i will have to do some homework.
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Very surprized to see this 1 year old tread reposted here. I am not sure what Musocitys intenion was in posting this originally. Fact is I don't think many of us ever did. He was out there! But Rob, you don't need any "scripting knowledge" to do what is being shown in all those clips from SMP. Those are just an illustrations of what SMP can do. I was talking the Jonathan, who is SMP developer just this morning (...what a name dropper  ) . He is still very active and interested in further developing and improving SMP. I am working with him on some ideas whereby SMP and BIAB will communicate better with the transfer of files. There are currently "accuracy" issues which we think can be resolved at the SMP end.
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MCity said that RB needs the new tracks view a couple post up. I reread that and noticed that in reality The tracks view in BiaB is lightyears behind the tracks view in RB. real copy paste and track comping. Yes it does partial regen, but not better, just different.
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Rob.
i dont think bb tracks view will ever reach the functionality of rb tracks view.
ive submitted my suggestions several times re what is needed for bb tracks view ie a 'total work center' concept to cut out all the flitting around in bb
between many different bb menus etc etc.
i think we can agree also rb tracks view slays it compared to bb tracks view.
given the above ...often i use bb for the blink of an eye track generation..
then drag the bb tracks to rb. works for me.
way better editing in rb imho.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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I the last two years RB generation is so much faster than before i get a song generated in a few short seconds now that took a minute before.
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