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I downloaded the Roland Sound Canvas VA demo yesterday, no problems installing it and selecting it as a VSTi in BIAB, but there's no sound when a midi track is generated, I can see the green meter moving as though it's playing, it does however work perfectly in Sonar Home Studio, so it seems to be a BIAB problem, has anyone else tried it.
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Keith
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you have got to select the plug in for each instrument over at the mixer top right corner, did you try that.
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you have got to select the plug in for each instrument over at the mixer top right corner, did you try that. Shouldn't have to do that if VA is selected as the Default Synth.
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Hi
I don’t know the beast but, if the meters are moving then it is receiving midi so the problem must lie with where the audio is being sent.
Vsi have to tell the host programme how many outputs it has so that host can redirect them to its sound out.
You may find a setting in the plug in to set the output .
Also it may be worth temp switching to mme drivers in case it’s a problem with multiple instances of asio or was.
Sorry I cant be more specific,
Mike
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Just down loaded it and I get no sound as well. I think you do have to select individual tracks for instruments and midi channels, I see the bar moving on the track in the roland but no sound ?.
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I am sure a few forum members had this working in biab, the quest goes on !.
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Thanks Mike it does mention sonar pro but not biab, although I never expected it too.. just positive some forum members tried trial and had it workng in biab.
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Thanks for trying, at least it's not me then, switching to MME, ASIO or WAS doesn't make any difference, and I have tried adding the plugin for each instrument at the mixer.
Pity it doesn't work, I bet this would be excellent with BIAB midi, I would love to hear from any members that have managed to get this working within BIAB.
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Mario
Thanks for your input what is a ..sound map to make this GM compatible.
Another vst or...?. Anyone.
You mean like an ini. file or pat. file.
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When this was first released a couple years ago some here messed with it and they found it doesn't work with a whole lot of apps but when it does work it sounds pretty good. This is also a problem:
No plugin bridge will enable to run 32bit SOUND Canvas VA on 64bit OS/DAW environment.
Overall, while it will work with some things it's really not very useful starting with if you're on Win 10, forget it. As far as using a GM synth and what to do if your not using a GM synth, there's a very good tutorial on that in the Help files.
Bob
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Bob
Thanks for your input, your right I will stick with sample tank.
You always look at things as they are, as I have seen in past postings.
Again thanks.
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Hi Guys,
The 32-bit version of the Sound Canvas VA has never made sound in Band-in-a-Box for some reason, but the 64-bit version works like a charm, as long as you have JBridge. It's the only plugin I've ever encountered with this issue.
If you've already added the 32-bit version to Band-in-a-Box, you can clear it out by deleting "VSTiPluginList.ini" from the BB\Preferences folder. This gets rid of your list of VST instruments, allowing you to add the 64-bit version of SC VA.
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Kent
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I had forgotten that point, I had to find the original thread about this from 2016. You had said then that the 64 bit version of the SCVA will work with Jbridge. And yes, even though the SCVA is ALREADY 64 bit for some reason it still needs Jbridge. Their website still says it's $125 so the question is is it worth it? In my case I got the full SampleTank 3 during their promo last year by buying a keyboard controller for $79. Without having owned the SC8850 I can't compare the two but the SCVA has a native GM bank while ST3 does not. One thing for sure though I'm positive this sounds much better than the old VSC, the Forte Dxi or the Coyote Wavetable. The SC8850 was a high end unit. Even though it came out in 1999, they're apparently still worth $200-250. What do you think Kent? It's been two years since your post in that old thread. Edit - Damn, I just listened to this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSEoQpuOieQIt's got scat voices! There are several requests in the Real Tracks forum about that. I may get this just for that if I can confirm the VA version also has them. Bob
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Hi Bob, Right, the 32-bit version would be recognized natively by Band-in-a-Box since BIAB is 32-bit, but makes no sound. The 64-bit version needs JBridge to be recognized by Band-in-a-Box, but then it actually works. Now that the TTS-1 is no longer available in 32-bit (JBridge doesn't allow the 64-bit version to work because it's a DXi), I'd say the SCVA is going to be the best currently available GM-compatible soft-synth for use with BIAB, but might sound a bit dated compared to modern sample libraries, since the sounds are all from 20-year-old sound modules. Those sample libraries don't support GM though, and I'd say the SCVA would sound good enough for most users, especially compared to the Coyote WT. According to Roland's site, it has the SC-8820, SC-88 Pro, SC-88, and SC-55 sounds, not SC-8850 (not sure how different the 8820 and 8850 are), but this video does have the scat sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C7oCmF4XU8Cheers Kent PG Music
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I had every hardware version of the SC Roland made. In their day, they were SOOO "realistic." Funny how our ears evolve over the years.
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Now that the TTS-1 is no longer available in 32-bit Kent - I think it would be awesome if PGMusic could work a deal of some sort with BandLab to obtain the right to bundle the 32-bit TTS-1 with BIAB/RealBand/PTPA. They should have the code; they've just chosen not to support 32-bit anymore.
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Very cool Kent. That vid isolates the scats very well. They're not as good as the ones in my Kurzweil PC3 Take 6 voices but still not bad at all.
Another question, it looks like this is similar to most keyboards in that not all 1600 patches are GM, correct? It has a dedicated GM bank and we would use a pat file to access the higher banks?
Bob
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Actually, Bob, I think the SCVA uses the GS standard (a superset of the GM standard). Because it rests on GM, GS will play GM files. http://forum.cakewalk.com/GM-GS-XG-what-are-they-m400202.aspx
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