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Hi folks,
I accidentally created a vocal sound I want to explore more. I also hear it in some JJ Cale songs and ZZ Top's - I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide (maybe) as an example. It may be that the vocal track is duplicated and slightly offset to create a bit of a hollow depth or resonance (maybe some reverb added) that has a layed-back kind of cool. haha if that describes it well
Anyways, if you know what I am trying to get at, I would like to learn some mixing details on how to create. I typically record vocals in Garageband. If it is a duplicated track that is offset...would like to get some practical tips without going thru the motions of reinventing the wheel.
from what i have tried there is a sweet spot around a duplicated vocal with a 0.013 second offset
Happy Holidays
Last edited by ChadHC; 12/23/20 04:24 AM.
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Sorry I can't help you.
J.J. Cale is one smooth voice and guitar.
If you look at his onstage setup its pretty simple. He sounds the same in the studio so I'm guessing thats a clue.
A shure sm57, a small amp, a little reverb,and just a laid back approach.
As cool as it gets.
Greats like Eric Clapton and Mark Knopfler both have said they wish they could sound like JJ Cale.
In an interview for a joint effort (Road to Escondido i believe) J.J. ribbed Eric saying he finally got his wish to make an Eric Clapton record that sounded like a J.J Cale album, although he needed JJ on the album to do so (paraphrased).
Precious few people on the planet can poke fun at Eric Clapton for his guitar playing.
Either Netflix or Amazon has a recent documentary out on JJ Cale
RIP the man from Tulsa.
Good Luck with your effort
btw, there's a "Magnolia" cover I did as tribute on the site link on my profile. Instrumental, no vocals.
Last edited by mrgeeze; 12/23/20 06:57 AM.
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Hey thanks...and your cover is awesome! I was in a jam group before covid that did that one and The Breeze.
Ya super cool JJ...I had the Cale tribute album by Clapton.
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On ZZ Top, there is either flanging or phaser being applied to the lead vocal.
here's how I would apply it:
1. Copy your lead vocal track to a new track (This is just for safety sake - your ultimate 'undo' function)
2. Mute the original, and apply a flanger (or chorus) effect with the rate set to less than one cycle per second (less than 1 Hz), keep the depth on the flanger effect pretty shallow, but make the mix 100% wet or nearly 100%.
See how that works for you.
Alternatively, try the same with a phaser effect. The key to the slow liquid sound is to keep the rate slow, and the depth shallow.
-Scott
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Thank you Scott....I am going to try the flanger (or chorus) method. I dont think i have these effects on my BIAB or Garageband but will look into how to make it happen.
Happy Holidays!!!
Chad
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