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Hi All - computer house-cleaning is rearing its ugly head. I have 2 PG external drives - an UltraPak from 2011 or 11.5 and an Everything Pak for 2012. What has me curious is why does the older HD with fewer RTs have a larger "footprint" on the HD, than does the Everything HD which has more RTs but takes up less space. Did I mis-install something? No evidence yet. I just decided to use the newer drive for RTs and RDs, and C Drive for BIAB. Did I miss something? Has PG further compressed all of the RTs? I'd like to clean house of duplicate RTs and free some space. All clues welcome - Ian 
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Interesting question, Ian. How much of a space difference is there?
I'm not aware of any claim of further compression with 2012. Version 2011 was the first to use the Elastique algorithm, saving almost 2/3 the space of Real Tracks and Drums, right?
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Did your earlier UltraPak drive include bonus paks that the new one does not?
Was your drive left over from an earlier version? If it had not been defragged after updating files to 2011 style, maybe that would account for what you see?
Does rharv live nearby?
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rharv is too close to me. I think it's about 100 miles. However his influence seems to be larger than that. I worry about fallout.
Ian, where did you put those pictures again?
John Conley
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There was no further compression added.
You likely have some older "+/- files", maybe from an old set of RealTracks, or a patch update or something. These are names like jz001-2.wma or jz001+1.wma (as opposed to just jz001.wma).
If you point the BB 2012 program to that RealTracks folder, and click-Prefs-RealTracks- Erase Un-Neeeded files, it will erase those un-needed +/- files.
Another possibility would be that you uncompressed some of them to WAV files. If so, there would be WAV files of the same name (e.g. jz001.wav), and those would be un-needed as well (they are needed for the audiophile version though).
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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 I mis-identified the UltraPlus HD - it was actually the 2010 version and had had RT updates - the RT Folder size is 88.4 GB and I had NOT upgraded to all RTs. On the other hand, the RT folder on the 2012 Everything Pak is 47.5 GB including Direct Input, even though it has more instrument folders, it is smaller than the Real Tracks folder on the 2010 HD. Interesting to note that when comparing specific instruments i.e. Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Even 100 is 234,045KB in the 2012 EverythingPAK RT Folder, and 702,193 in the earlier 2010 UltraPlusPak RT Folder. The 2012 individual RT files seem to be smaller than the earlier RT versions. Why would that be? I've also noticed a decompress.exe file on the 2012 Everything Pak in the RealTracks folder Ian
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Ian, versions of BB that were made before the advent of the Elastique stretch engine use several Realtrack files for each melodic instrument Realtrack.
If you look in the folder you will see that there are files with the same name but slight changes at the end of the filename, such as +1, -1, etc.
Those are identical files except for the key they are played in, typically there will be transposed files there covering the diminished chord. The older stretch engine would pick the file closest to the key you designated and then would only have to stretch the pitch by an amount that would not create digital artifacts.
With the Elastique engine, stretching to any key from one soundfile is now possible, so there is no longer any need to have all those duplicates.
This decreases the disk space needed appreciably and more different sounding Realtracks can now be stored in much less space.
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