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Billy used a word I like: intuitive. Yes, your choice of a DAW is about the workflow, but when choosing one, which one is more intuitive to the way you want to work? I use BIAB every day, but I do not use a DAW every day. When I do, I don't want to fight with it.
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When I was looking for a DAW was when this forum started to light up with coding to get something to work with Reaper and Band In A Box.
It did not happen with Studio One so that is when I joined up. Both Studio One and BIAB is working exactly as I would like it to do.
If I want to code, I can go back to work.
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When I was looking for a DAW was when this forum started to light up with coding to get something to work with Reaper and Band In A Box.
...Deb Sorry to hear that, unfortunately we have no control over all that nonsense.
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Yeah when i use either Reaper Studio one, or Mixbus i don't alter them. I don't try to modify them to do other things. I leave them standard except maybe chose a theme i like from the company. I don't want to fiddle with options i want to complete projects. They all do that quite nicely.
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When I was looking for a DAW was when this forum started to light up with coding to get something to work with Reaper and Band In A Box.
...Deb Sorry to hear that, unfortunately we have no control over all that nonsense. Dan, IMHO it is not nonsense. It is just forum members trying to improve PGMusic products. It can be in the forum of coding suggestions, trying to solve other members' problems, or through the wish list forum.
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Here's a short vid summarizing the workflow improvements for 6.2. [I've always loved this guy's studio; looks like he's the commander of a musical starship.] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUvvXrzzCig
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Nice video: short, clear. Thanks for posting.
About his rig, if he ever decides to leave his present work, I suspect he could get a flight controller job at LAX.
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Or the bridge of the enterprise!
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Or the bridge of the enterprise! I always thought Spock and Lt. Uhura had something going on 
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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It just wasn’t logical!
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When I was looking for a DAW was when this forum started to light up with coding to get something to work with Reaper and Band In A Box.
It did not happen with Studio One so that is when I joined up. Both Studio One and BIAB is working exactly as I would like it to do.
If I want to code, I can go back to work.
...Deb This wasn't about Reaper but about making BIAB work better with ANY DAW - the case study has been Reaper becasue that's the one the code writer works in. musocity is frustrated with the lack of progress by BIAB in general integration terms. I use Reaper and read all of his posts but have only employed one aspect as I don't have his frustration levels using the two programs. The very good mix & mastering engineer from White Sea Studio, who is now on youtube, uses Reaper. It suits his work flow, matches industry standards and allows him to communicate with a wider audience. Kenny & Cockos have joined together to provide stellar support for Reaper. If they sold a DVD set I'd buy it.
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LOL I came here to ask if S1 has any information now on it's scripting. When I was looking for a DAW was when this forum started to light up with coding to get something to work with Reaper and Band In A Box.
...Deb Sorry to hear that, unfortunately we have no control over all that nonsense. Studio One is a DAW if that's what you use. Everything needs to be coded Biab, Studio One that's how you have them. If I code a script for Reaper or a Autohotkey script I code that freely for users, they don't need to do the coding.
You have so many functions and features in Biab now that you use that came about by me "coding" things and showing them working and that they can be implemented into Biab/BBPlugin/BBPlugin Standalone. You also have scripting in Studio One for a reason (so guys like me can make up scripts for users to get Biab chords to and from Studio One).
If I wasn't here posting there is SO many features in Biab and a Plugin you simply would not have. It's funny how users ask for things and I have helped them out so many times, whether it's getting midi chord markers in scaler or making an Autohotkey script for them to use in RealBand or so many other things, but you ask them for help and you get ZERO and just get used. Why have you got a BBPlugin now ??? where did that come from ??? why have you got so many features in Biab that you now use ??? It's death at it's best with ZERO awareness, the blind leading the blind. It's only going to come back and bite, only then will the learning kick in. Again and Again it's the main reason Biab has been held back in the past, old guard holding it back. Krystal Audio Engine 2004 (Studio Zero) it had non destructive editing and played files direct, where were you guys then ? you sure weren't giving this info to PG, you have just held it back to the current state it's in because you didn't open your mouth and those that did were cancelled and got rid of through protectionism, ask yourself. Wake up guys to the reason I'm here, before the big wake up call comes. The forum don't "light up", the forum is dead if you haven't noticed. LOL there are more posts in just the Reaper scripting forum. I have looked for info on Studio One scripting but there is none WHY ? I have been over the Ardour forum trying to get them to create a GUI for their Lua scripting bindings as they only allow you to add a few scripts to the script menu. Very good. And thank you, Andrew. That’s good news. Again I have been posting all that info for years n years, the very "coding" they are complaining about but if PG post it only then is it legit, wow thanks PG we didn't know that, honestly ? ask yourself. It's the same deal with Playable RealTracks "wow PG thanks, we didn't know that could be done. Again another example of me posting all the information on how to do this years n years before, but unless it's PG it's not legit, just a crazy coding loony  Dan, IMHO it is not nonsense. It is just forum members trying to improve PGMusic products. It can be in the forum of coding suggestions, trying to solve other members' problems, or through the wish list forum. Mario knows what the story is as his eyes and heart are open. [
This wasn't about Reaper but about making BIAB work better with ANY DAW - the case study has been Reaper becasue that's the one the code writer works in.
musocity is frustrated with the lack of progress by BIAB in general integration terms. I use Reaper and read all of his posts but have only employed one aspect as I don't have his frustration levels using the two programs.
The very good mix & mastering engineer from White Sea Studio, who is now on youtube, uses Reaper. It suits his work flow, matches industry standards and allows him to communicate with a wider audience.
Kenny & Cockos have joined together to provide stellar support for Reaper. If they sold a DVD set I'd buy it. exactly !
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HaHa! Very clever. And rumor has it that Dr. McCoy caught a glimpse of some hanky panky in the cargo bay somewhere around star date 1207.3 
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I normally do not reply to a post from musocity, whom several of us believe may also be pipeline and also solid rock. I find it odd he would quote me from another thread, not even this one, saying those heartless words to Andrew “thank you”.
I am a user, not a PG Music staffer. A longtime user, and a longtime beta tester, and a past consultant, but still just a user. Unless I am absolutely sure of something, I’m not going to answer someone’s question representing that my answer is absolutely true. When I’m not sure, I say so, but in that other thread I went farther: I took the time to contact the developers directly to get the correct answer, then I thanked Andrew for posting the answer in that other thread. I am not going to rely on what I might remember or infer from the long posts of another user.
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It's the same deal with Playable RealTracks "wow thanks Peter, we didn't know that could be done." Sound familiar ? I posted a lot about that, showed it working and showed ways to do it many times, but there was near zero interest or responses. BUT with "Play Direct" I posted that millions of times in millions of different ways, simple and complex with so many GIFs n videos, flow charts, showing how Biab creates the track data, pieces the track section together in RAM from that data, showed SFZ's in Sforzando VST playing the RealTracks sections live, direct and instant, arms had to be twisted just to get users to try them for themselves and let me know if it worked for them, even users I have helped out when they needed help would not step up. BUT what response was there in all those years ? near ZERO. Where are you guys ? PG post something and you are right up there. It is really NO baffling mystery why Biab is so far behind is it ? You need to encourage the developers more to lift their game up rather than accepting things how they are for so long and then get rid of users who try to improve it with that dirty word "change". Colored MIDI notes for chord-scale-passing, Blasphemy ! Not accepting new users for testing because they just want to "change" things. Hence Old Guard.
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If you really want to know the answer as to why we respond to PG and not to you? I will tell you but you have to respond back with respect and not another name calling attack! No more calling people out as “old guard” and such. Have you not noticed that very few will even respond to you post at all anymore? You have to ask yourself “WHY?”
Here is the true answer. You don’t show the proper respect to the people who run PGM. You don’t show the proper respect to those who came before you here. You come up with a lot of interesting and some really cool ideas. But rather than just float them out there and see what PGM does with them, you almost demand that they accept them and make those changes to the program.
Then when you don’t get the response from other you want you resort to a full scale assault on the subject as if this is your company and you make the decisions.
You may be able to script and cobble together things pasting two or three odd looking scripts/apps/programs to get it to do something. You never take into consideration whether that is best for the rest of the BiaB world, or just meets what you and a small handful of people want. You have no idea how this stuff would affect the program now or going forward. Still you power on.
Look I am amazed at some of the things you create. You are truly a talent when it comes to this stuff. You obviously put a lot of time into what you do. Maybe a tribute to your time working with Reaper.
BiaB has to work with more than reaper, studio one, cakewalk, Cubase, Protools, bitwing, reason, FLstudio, and at least 20 others that the users prefer. I bet 80% of those don’t use scripts. So those things would have to be hard coded into the program. It may not be as easy as you or I might think. Just because you can patch it together does make it viable for the big picture.
Make your point then show the respect for others that you expect for yourself. You may find they reciprocate better. And please stop calling those who disagree Old guard! It is offensive and uncalled for. Everyone has a right to their opinions.
By the way I really do like the graphics you designed for a more modern look website. That was sharp. It looks like you used a screen shot from what Avid? Pretty cool look. I will say the PG website is better looking now than it was before the last refresh.
There you have it. I hope you don’t get offended. I just trying to be real with you out of respect for you. I remember way back when you told me in a thread that you just wanted to get on with making music. I suggest you do that and let your creative side help lower your frustration. You have made your point let it go and accept the decisions are made outside of our reach.
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Muso, you STILL don't understand, do you?
PG software CREATES the music. Does reaper? Pro Tools? FL Studio, Etc...?
PG isn't trying to be anybody else. Their product is to CREATE tracks. Then you are free to move them anywhere you like. Jus do it. If PG's stuff is wrong to you, write your own program that includes music generation powers AND is the most killer DA ever.
But please stop your public whining.
I never thought I would see anybody less popular than me on these forums.
I was wrong.
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I don't know Eddie I think we all like you here. What's not to like! I mean your EDDIE for crying out loud!
On the other subject I like SolidMusoPipeCityLine. Seriously I do, I appreciate his passion and the fact he has contributed some great ideas to the mix. I also appreciate that he has helped many people learn more about these programs. Where I differ with him is in the approach. You simply can't demand that a company do things your way unless you own that company. I can't tell Ford they should do things like Nissan, and if they don't get upset and tell ford users who like fords that they are old Guards stopping progress. It's not my place. I can send them a message by several methods. letter Email, phone, or by buying a Nissan. However, in the end I have to respect their right to do business their way. Only they truly know what is possible and what is not.
If someone like the Toontracks products better, you can let PGM know respectfully what you like about it and allow them the dignity to decide what they want to implement or not. If that doesn't work spend your money there.
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There is the old saying, "Don't shoot the messenger". Rob, I hope you do not incur any blowback, or (heavens), get called one of the old guard holding things back. Unfortunately, sometimes the problem really isn't the message, it's the messenger. And that is tragic here.
By the way, everyone, my Studio One 6.2 is running very nicely. I think that was what this thread was supposed to be about.
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It would be a bad thing for PG to get so mired in one person's constant complaining to a level where they stop focusing on what they do at this high level. I'd prefer to see them expend their energy into finding fresh faces to provide samples for Real Tracks than worrying about trying to become Reaper's stepchild. I am Brent Masoned out.
I had a friend who used to constantly tell me how bad Two Broke Girls was when it was on the air. I watched it a few times ONLY because the one girl had a great rack. The writing was trite and the lead actresses had AWFUL timing in delivering their lines. I watched maybe 3 times. As I told him once when the whining became annoying, you cable box has a tuner on it and you are free to NOT watch it if you don't like it. Find a show that you actually find funny.
Similarly, if you don't like PG, you are free to stop using it. Just also STOP WHINING to us JUST to hear your voice. NOBODY CARES what you think. If you don't like it, stop using it and leave the forums rather than spreading your musical version of hate speech here. Go find something else to create your backing tracks.
There are what, 1 or 2 other choices IN THE WORLD that can do what this stuff does. Pick one.
But however you choose to proceed, stop your public complaining. You are the forum version of the pop culture reference to "Karen". Man, I'd expect that at your age you would be way more mature than you are. Sit in your little dungeon and code up your little tools to cobble together what you want PG to be, but stop boring us with your self centered blathering.
My father became quite sick when he was about 68. When he did, he was mad at the world and made sure to make everybody aware how angry at the world he was. You remind me of him. That is not a compliment.
Man, my Ignore List is longer than my Buddy List now. Between the Karens and the blowhard braggards who keep telling us that they ALMOST made it and that they play 39 gigs a week ("And YOU don't! So nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah, you peasants!") or famous people they claim to have known 200 years ago in high school...
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