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Hi all,
I am doing some deep work on extended chords at the moment and its' important that ther voicing in BIAB, which I am working off, is accurate.
I am doing ii V Is mostly, in which I sub each type of altered 7th chord in the middle, until its absolutely nailed, round 12 keys.
What's the best way to ensure this?
I think I should disable the natural arrangement feature (good though it is). Not so sure whether i should keep the voicings closed - which would be weird, but maybe a question of eat your greens.
How accurate is BIAB anyway, with these finesses? Opinions welcome.
Z
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I am not sure I understand what you are doing, but, I believe that exercises, which cycle the 2-5-1 chords using 7th chords, through 12 keys, generally involve chordal inversions (aka specific chord voicing). However, I don't believe BIAB provides control over the specific individual chord voicing. I assume that is what would require "accuracy". The only place BIAB will specify a chord in root position versus an inverted chord is in the "chord chart" feature which is new in 2023. Actually, maybe that feature would help in this case. Easy enough to test, just enter chord as completely as you can and then examine the notation from the "chord chart" to see what you are getting.
But, what do I know?
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Thanks for the reply. I am on BIAB 2022.
For avoidence of doubt what I mean is are teh chords "true", in this sense.
The contain all of the chord tones indicated by the chord symbol (any voicing), and no extra tones.
Not over simplified. For example a C major triad can be subbed for a ninth chord.
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The contain all of the chord tones indicated by the chord symbol (any voicing), and no extra tones.
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My assumption was that the voicing did matter. Just running block chord (Root Position) ii, V, i, won't get you the cool sounds. Here is what I was thinking. This is why "chord voicings" is king. And why BIAB may not be the right tool. https://www.fretdojo.com/2-5-1-chord-progression-guitar/ But if you don't need to specify voicings with your exercise, than BIAB should capture the proper chords if you select a simple Style which does not mess things up. Hope this helps. By the way, I hesitate to mention what I use for these exercises when voicing is critical. Cause everyone knows. 
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I think we are talking about voicings in different ways. For me a "voicing" is set of notes which can be in any inversion. Maybe your version is more common.
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I think we are talking about voicings in different ways. For me a "voicing" is set of notes which can be in any inversion. Maybe your version is more common.
Z Maybe not more common, just more broad... Chord voicing refers to the order of the individual voices within a chord, the color tones added, which chord tones are doubled or omitted and the spacing and octave position of each note. Good Luck, if you get anything worked out in BIAB, be sure to let us take a peek. Dan
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I think we are talking about voicings in different ways. For me a "voicing" is set of notes which can be in any inversion. Maybe your version is more common.
Z My definition is that voicings can be in any inversion and in any octave. They can also have notes that are an octave or more apart. YMMV
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I use the concept of open and closed voicing a lot. Closed means all the notes of the chord are within one octave of the root. I also use the concept of voice leading a lot, which makes individual melody and especially harmony parts sound reasonable when played by themselves, without awkward intervals and/or register jumping (think Bach). It's all related. And no, I don't think you can specify the voicing you want. But ... You might enjoy reading an article I wrote on a highly related subject, when BIAB does not exactly play the chords you wrote, especially extensions. One of the recommendations on the list is turning off Natural Arrangement, but BIAB has a bunch of other settings you can experiment with. Go here: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=694482#Post694482I'll be interested in your findings.
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My definition is that voicings can be in any inversion and in any octave. They can also have notes that are an octave or more apart. YMMV This is how an orchestra works. The lowest note on the bass instruments determines the inversion and the remaining instruments determine the harmony. The range of orchestral notes for a chord can extend for a number of octaves depending on which instruments are used.
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