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I suddenly can get no sound on the Thru channel. I've tried every configuration I can think of without success, including returning to factory settings. I've tried different DXi synths and none at all. The on-screen keyboard indicates my MIDI controller is sending a signal. I also get sound on playback.
I tried tech support through the chat feature, but was told that it's difficult to resolve via chat. Probably true for the forum as well, but I don't know what else to do. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Mel
Last edited by melodeo; 04/21/10 07:34 PM.
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Hi Mel,
If
1. The Thru channel is not muted (red) on the main screen or
2. In the MIDI/Audio drivers page the box "Route Midi thru to Midi Driver" is not checked then yes this could be difficult to find
3. Check that the volume settings have not been re-set to zero
but one other area to look at is -
4. Preferences > Midi Options and see if the MIDI Thru boxes and the sub boxes are selected
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Hi,
Have you checked that all the necessary volumes are fully up in the soundcard's control panel? To get to this, I right click on the speaker icon, select playback devices, double-click on speakers and then I have a dozen or so sliders I can adjust (I have Vista). Sometimes Windows changes these volumes.
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Also make sure your keyboard and the thru are set to the same midi channel.
Bob
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You could also try sending a GM reset: Ctrl Alt Q
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Thanks guys. I've tried some of your ideas, some I haven't. I appreciate the help!
Mel
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Hello melodeo,
Let's assume you are using the VSC-DXi or Coyote WaveTable DXi synth, and Band-in-a-Box 2010.
Are you using MME or ASIO drivers? If you're using ASIO, check the 'ASIO Always On' box in the ASIO Audio Drivers dialog. If this box is not checked, then DXi thru only works during playback.
If you are using MME, DXi thru will work during playback (although there will be latency) if you don't have the "Route MIDI Thru to MIDI driver" box checked in the MIDI Driver dialog. If playback is stopped or you DO have that box checked, then DXi thru won't work, and the thru channel will be routed to whatever MIDI driver you have selected as your 'MIDI Output Driver'.
If you are using the Coyote ForteDXi, you may also need to choose something other than "no patch change" for the thru channel (instrument pull-down on main screen).
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Hello melodeo,
Let's assume you are using the VSC-DXi or Coyote WaveTable DXi synth, and Band-in-a-Box 2010.
Are you using MME or ASIO drivers? If you're using ASIO, check the 'ASIO Always On' box in the ASIO Audio Drivers dialog. If this box is not checked, then DXi thru only works during playback.
If you are using MME, DXi thru will work during playback (although there will be latency) if you don't have the "Route MIDI Thru to MIDI driver" box checked in the MIDI Driver dialog. If playback is stopped or you DO have that box checked, then DXi thru won't work, and the thru channel will be routed to whatever MIDI driver you have selected as your 'MIDI Output Driver'.
If you are using the Coyote ForteDXi, you may also need to choose something other than "no patch change" for the thru channel (instrument pull-down on main screen).
Andrew, this may not be your area but this quote is exactly what people are complaining about on the wishlist forum when someone says Biab needs a complete rewrite or whatever. Look at all the different choices here, if this, then that and that and that, if the other, then do this thing or that thing. Why can't there be one window with a few questions in it with a checkbox next to each one and if you check it, then Biab automatically makes all those choices because it already knows what you have in your system. For example "do you want to play a midi keyboard or controller while listening to a song"? If you check "yes" that's it, done. Biab should do whatever is necessary to make that happen. There are certain obvious given's here I think. Of course the user doesn't want latency, so if all they have is MME (oh yeah, call it by the correct name WDM, more unnecessary confusion) then there will be latency and explain that right there. If they do have ASIO, then explain right there how it works. Of course the user wants to hear the keyboard when Biab is stopped. That shouldn't even be a choice. I think it's even possible for Biab to remap the midi channels if necessary to match the controller so the user doesn't even have to mess with that. Make it simple for noob's to get some noise of of the thing, the subtle details can come later.
Frankly, even though all of us "old pros" know all this stuff by now, and yes it's true that all the other music software programs make you go through the same dance, who says Biab can't be better than those guys? It is a bit ridiculous when you think about it. There has to be a better way.
Bob
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and the congregation says "Amen, Brother Bob!"
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Good points, Bob.
Yes, I know there were alot of if's in my reply, but was trying to fix the problem without having to wait for more setup info...
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Any luck with this yet? I have exactly the same problem - no sound generated when external keyboard played. Notes are registered on the BIAB keyboard, playback sound is OK, using MME, midi thru is checked (using ms wavetable synth). The midi event table says the events are happening on Channel 5, though I have to filter to Channel 4 to get the record. I have this all working fine on another machine - can't see any differences in setup (including the midi event table). This is a new installation of BIAB and external keyboard that I'm working on. Would appreciate any ideas - have tried most of what's here already, other than ASIO drivers.
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You do have the Opt Prefs Channels set? There is a Thru Option there must match your keyboard.
Check that there is no conflict in Chords Output for a Vocal Harmony Box.
Otherwise it will be something you'll hit you head over later. My system is working this way and I can play it fine on the Thru Channel.
Note that for now the Save with Patches and Harmony on the present version is not working until they do an update and new release of a build.
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Any luck with this yet? I have exactly the same problem - no sound generated when external keyboard played. Notes are registered on the BIAB keyboard, playback sound is OK, using MME, midi thru is checked (using ms wavetable synth). The midi event table says the events are happening on Channel 5, though I have to filter to Channel 4 to get the record. I have this all working fine on another machine - can't see any differences in setup (including the midi event table). This is a new installation of BIAB and external keyboard that I'm working on. Would appreciate any ideas - have tried most of what's here already, other than ASIO drivers.
this sounds like it may be a different problem than that of the OP on this thread.
MME drivers and *what MIDI synth* do you have chosen?
OS?
ASIO drivers plus use of one of the DXi synths should work.
Sometimes it won't work until after you've hit the Play button for the first time. I used to have to hit Play and then Stop to activate the keyboard input to the DXi synth. After that, it would be fine for the rest of that session.
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Hi - thanks for help so far:
Opts - preferences; thru channel is 5. But how do I know what channel the keyboard is using?
OS = Vista Home Premium
MMM synth is MS Wavetable (seem to have 2 copies of this showing up in list of drivers). Can I disable one?
I do have Notation Composer also installed - never running at the same time - and this is operating normally on this machine (laptop). Sound on both this and BIAB work OK on my PC.
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By the way - I get no sound using the mouse to enter notes into melody line either.
Also If I record a melody line on the keyboard, it will replay OK, but no sound as I enter notes.
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This really sounds like it is due to your choice in MIDI synth.
Again, what have you got selected?
The Microsoft Synth or the Microsoft MIDI Mapper does exactly what you report and cannot be used as a realtime playable synth...
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Vista 32 bit or 64 bit?
If 32 bit you should be using the Dxi synth comes bundled with most of the latest versions of BIAB.
What version of Band in a Box, maybe you posted that but I don't remember seeing it.
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Hi again. I am using the Roland Dxi, with the midi thru option checked, which if I understand correctly means that MS wavetable synth should pick up keyboard (and mouse?) input. On my PC, I am getting the right result with these settings, somehow.
Vista 32 bit, Band in a Box 2009
I've downloaded asio4all but it wouldn't install. I will try this again, maybe from somewhere else. Any reliable asio drivers around for BIAB?
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I can run the software fine although I use a Ketron SD2. So the Thru goes to that and it has zero latency.
The only advice I can give is to ensure that you check the Dxi. Once you save that, it should work at zero latency.
I would never switch to asio drivers they are not needed and are a frustration level on their own.
For some who have other soft synths they are required to make them work, however I cannot test for specifically for you for I am using the latest greatest version of Band in a Box on Windows 7 64 bit and that synth is not available to me as it works only with 32 bit.
However I can play my keyboard on the thru to my ketron SD2 and as it is a hardware synth it also has zero latency and it works fine as an option.
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Try using the VSC DXi and UNchecking that "Route MIDI Thru" command. It will route to whatever is highlighted in the upper MIDI Output window. If that is the MIDI Mapper, it may not work well if at all. If it is something else, likewise. I never had great results when the Microsoft MIDI synth was highlighted in that window and I used DXi synth checked and that Route MIDI Thru checked also. There is a ton of built in latency in the Microsoft MIDI synth that really can't be worked around IMO.
This works here with ASIO drivers & DXi synth, ASIO4ALL and builtin laptop soundcard. That's what I use on the road.
ASIO4ALL works especially well on my laptop using the internal soundcard and BiaB.
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