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I hear you, but not totally true Bob, I don't think you can say "A typical DAW cannot do any of those things" most DAWs have notation windows, piano rolls that use cut and paste, and many have drum sequencers like Session drummer etc, and midi pattern sequencers, with drop and drag samplers that allow you to build tracks from patterns, and loops. Sonar has built in features that do this and other things like V-vocal that allows you to build internally harmony tracks and such.
Piano rolls, cut and paste, notation etc are all editing functions, I said that. As for pattern sequencers and loops, how do you change the key sig or add chords with those? Have you tried creating a 5 chord song with loops and then deciding the key of G is too high for the vocalist so you want it in Eb? Good luck with that. It's a semantic thing I know, but to me at least putting a beat track together is not creating a song. The V-Vocal still needs a track to work with, it won't create one from nothing. To me you can't compare a DAW with Biab. Two entirely different things.
Bob
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The 2009 HDD upgrade didn't come with a printed manual at all
I talked with someone a few days ago at PG Music who says that a printed manual is in process and will be announced on the site when available. No date, though.
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I never said you could compare them. All I was getting at is that DAW software is very deep and complicated, and does a lot of things BiaB will not do in the creation of a musical project. Same can be said of BiaB, it does stuff no DAW can do, they are truly Apples and Oranges. Creating a midi based song in a DAW is not less a creation than typing in the chords in BiaB and selecting a style. I would venture it is far more complicated. You are creating from scratch, BiaB does the bulk of the work for you. You said A DAW can't do ANY of the things BiaB can do, that is simply not true, it can't do some of the things, but BiaB can't do some of the things aDAW can do.
Piano rolls are far more than editing tools, you can create a mnidi track from zip with them, people do it all the time.
Also Loops are sometimes midi, not just audio, there are tons of midi loops available, and on those you can change the key sig if you want.
The vast majority of songs are created today in a DAW, not in BiaB. So creating a Beat track is still creating, and a far cry harder to do than type the chords in and hit generate.
Bob, I think we are saying the same thing, just differently. I feel strongly that dismissing the DAW process as not being a true creation is just not correct. BiaB just makes it easier for those who do not play all the instruments, and want to creat stuff personally, and quickly. I am not knocking Biab, heck I am a user, but i also use several DAW programs, and have made many songs in them from the start. let me tell you it was far harder to do, BiaB takes the fight out. Thanks for listening, Rob
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
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The thing that amazes me is that no one has done a "Band in the Box Power" book or the like. That's the first thing I looked for when I bought the program. Seems there is an opportunity for someone out there.
To me that's the fundamental problem - the manual and written documentation is not up to the high standards of the functionality of the program.
Sure, its easy to enter the chords and go for a backing track but the rest is not overly intuitive. Sonar is much easier to go deep with - plus the documentation (Cakewalk and third party) is more abundant.
Anyway, somebody should write a book, because let's face it, if Peter and Co wanted to do it they would have already.
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Fine have a "power" book, but I can't believe that anybody could come from cold to Sonar and master it by reading, for example, Scott Garrigus's book on the subject. It is a really good book, and I got a lot from it, but any book can only take you so far. I got a book on Sonar 2 at the same time as I bought the programme. It might as well have been double dutch for all the sense it made. It has taken me about 6 years of experience to (mostly) understand Sonar. The Sonar 7 book I bought got me from, say, 60% to 70% understanding. I doubt it would have got me from 0% to anywhere far ...
My view, for what it's worth, is that the BAIB manual is as good as any other manual, and a lot better than some. It starts from a low base - its main trouble is that it looks like it was produced on an Atari in 1990 something!
My 2p
Brian
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A few thoughts.
A It's a lot harder to learn anything from a manual than sitting down with someone who understands.
B It's a music program.
If you are clue free about music you'll have a tough time doing anything.
MS Word would be impossible if you couldn't read and write.
C it IS easy to learn, just hard to perfect.
You can learn to play golf in five minutes, but you'll suck at it for a long time.
WSS
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I found the basics easy to learn. I found some simple things like tags and such difficult and I can read music.
I found the videos very helpful. They can be the BIAB for dummies.
However, with NO musical knowledge it would be very hard to learn.
I had to start thinking like a jazz musician (instead of a rock and roller) to really do some things correctly.
And we all know how jazz musicians think.....
I find the cool thing about PG music products is they can be as simple or deep as you want them. Like many that have posted, I have used BIAB for years and still consider myself a beginner and scratching the surface of what this thing can do.
Everyone here is willing to help on even the simplest of questions.
Be blessed
Bob
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A few thoughts.
A It's a lot harder to learn anything from a manual than sitting down with someone who understands.
B It's a music program.
If you are clue free about music you'll have a tough time doing anything.
MS Word would be impossible if you couldn't read and write.
C it IS easy to learn, just hard to perfect.
You can learn to play golf in five minutes, but you'll suck at it for a long time.
WSS
This says it all.
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With regard to point C, approximately 40 years and counting ...
Brian
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A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
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