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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
At a "price" of having to build them yourself (it is not hard, but takes more time than clicking on an RT piano rhythm...)


This is really a good point to raise. I have always said, "there is nothing faster or easier then using RealDrums." Same goes for much of the RT stuff in BIAB. "Why would anyone want to use anything else?"

I guess it has something to do with a need to have more of me in my music.


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jazzmandan,

Concentrating on just one facet of BiaB/RealBand is a good way to learn more about the product while also exercising and entertaining your brain. I think you will enjoy your journey and we all may benefit from your experience.

Good for you! I hope your journey will generate some nice discussions in the forum.

BiaB and RealBand has many ways to create music. RealTracks, UserTracks, audio loops, user recorded audio, programmed generated midi, (RealTracks) midi transcriptions, midiSuperTracks, user recorded midi and by importing standard midi files (SMF) or midi tracks (MID).

I doubt if anyone is truely an expert using all those tools.


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Originally Posted By: Russell DeMussel
Last time I looked PGmusic sold a great sounding midi synth module. (Not software) I have a friend here who uses that module to play gigs with. The sound is awesome. He plays a sax along with it...

I believe the hardware module being referred to is the KETRON SD2. I don't think PG Music currently sell this device, although there are certainly dealers who do sell the product.


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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
Now I have my eye on the six pack deal ($99).

Jazz Midi
Jazz Ballads
Ballads
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Country
Keys and Stings




Here is a new one. I ordered the 6 pack from Sweetwater. Turns out it is only provided as a shipped box via FedEx. I assume a big box containing 6 access codes to download from ToonTrack on a piece of paper. That's unusual.

Then I get a call from Chris. Turns out the "box with the paper in it" is backordered. And not currently available.

Didn't expect that. grin


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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
<...> I have always said, "there is nothing faster or easier then using RealDrums." Same goes for much of the RT stuff in BIAB. "Why would anyone want to use anything else?"<...>
Editing. There are thousands of things you can do with MIDI that you cannot do with RTs or any other audio formats - yet.

Here are just a few:
  • The endings on BiaB styles are limited to 2 bars. Some of the endings just don't work right. In MIDI you can create a proper ending or simply copy and paste from one of my MIDI intro/ending disks.
  • There are no "real" intros in BiaB. You can easily create one in MIDI or simply copy and paste from one of my MIDI intro/ending disks.
  • Some songs have rhythmic kicks (I was jamming with some Salsa guys and they called them "breaks") -- a section of music where the entire band plays a passage consisting a number of what PG calls Shots and rests in a very definite, rythmic pattern.
  • Some songs could use volume manipulation on individual drum instruments (bring up the snare, take down the cymbals), this is easy to do in MIDI, next to impossibld to do in Audio Loops
  • Sometimes you may want to change a drum sound, for example, on a Latin/Rock tune, change the ride cymbal to a cowbell, easy in MIDI, darn near impossible in Audio.
  • I've often changed instruments on some of the BiaB output parts. (That piano part might sound better on a Rhodes for a particular song, or a nylon string guitar, or a Clavinet and that Clean Guitar might sound good as an Acoustic Guitar on another song.) I have a sound module where I can change the clean guitar to a Tele (front or rear pickup), Strat, LP, 335, and a dozen or more others Again, easy with MIDI, impossible with Audio
  • crescendo (A directive to a performer to smoothly increase the volume of a particular phrase or passage)
  • diminuendo (A directive to a performer to smoothly decrease the volume of the specific passage of a composition)
  • accelerando (Gradually accelerating or getting faster) with no audio artifacts
  • ritardando (Gradually getting slower) with no audio artifacts
  • fermata (notation marking directing the performer or ensemble to sustain the note of a composition affecting all parts and lasting as long as the artistic interpretation of the conductor or performer allows)
  • transposition with no audio artifacts
  • Composing - you cannot get audio loops to do what you want, but you can change or add anything you want in MIDI format very easily.
  • Sometimes when changing from an A substyle to a B substyle you might not want a roll. In MIDI it's a simply copy and paste operation.
    You might want to rearrange the drum rolls in a piece or change the roll from a snare to a tom. Again in MIDI it's just copy and paste or a simple transpose command.


Of course if you had the same instruments, studio acoustics, mic and other studio gear of the original recordings, and the skill to match their tone you can do these with audio loops. but that's one giant IF.

With a good MIDI tone module you can get sounds 90-95% as good as 'the real thing' - and believe me, the audience won't know the difference.

Real Tracks are fine, there is real genius in making them work, and I do use them when they are the proper tool for the job. When I need deep editing, MIDI is the only way.

We have both tools. Just because you bought a new pair of "vice grips" there is no reason to throw out your socket wrench set. Use the proper tool for the job you want to do.

That's why we can talk about MIDI here.

Sometimes RealTracks are the proper tool for the job, and sometimes MIDI is the proper tool for the job.

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Excerpted from Keyboard magazine, March 2014 by Craig Anderton:

…Today you can easily record 100 tracks of digital audio on a basic laptop, so MIDI may seem irrelevant in the studio. Yet MIDI remains not only viable, but valuable, because it lets you exploit today's studio in ways that digital audio still can't.



Deep editing. Digital audio allows for broad edits, like changing levels or moving sections around, and editing tools such as Melodyne are doing ever more fine-grained audio surgery. But MIDI is more fine grained still: You can edit every characteristic of every performance gesture: dynamics, volume, timing, the length and pitch of every note, pitch-bend, and even which sound is being played. MIDI data can tell a piano sound what to play, or if you change your mind, a Clavinet patch. With digital audio, changing the instrument that plays a given part requires re-recording the track….but MIDI can do much more…


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Good points indeed.

So for creating and editing midi drums, EZD2 has a very creative and intuitive method. As does JamStix.

Otherwise midi editing in general seems to be restricted to the piano roll in the DAW, except perhaps in a strictly Notation software where the notes and chart can be edited directly.

Or am I missing something? NN, what do you use for midi editing? Is there something else we should know about?


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I did some digging and found that PGMusic sells CoyoteForte Dxi. This appears to be exactly what I'm looking for. I used their handy comparisons to judge, and even my ears can hear a huge difference between CoyoteWT and Forte...huge. I'm sold because it's an obvious step up playback synth at a very modest price, that I assume will upgrade all the virtual instruments already found in BIAB. But I do have a question: what does GM2 "support" (in the MIDI?Audio Drivers Set Up Menu) mean?
Specifically, if I assign a GM2 virtual instrument to a track in BIAB, is that also sent to whatever I have selected as the default synth (currently, CoyoteWT, soon to be CoyoteForte)?

In other words, can I expect the GM2 voices will be upgraded by moving to CoyoteForte just as all the others will be? Or, is GM2 handled somehow by a different synth? My MIDI driver is from my Focusrite Saffire Pro soundcard, and it appears to handle GM2 just fine.


I own BIAB 2015, my first and only purchase so far. If a BIAB 2016 upgrade came with Forte I would pull the trigger immediately but I doubt this is the case. I'll just get Forte...I'm really looking forward to much better sounds, and ease of use, from that.

edit: PS. Although, the Cakewalk TTS sounds much better than the Coyote Forte. I went to Cakewalk website and saw that I can buy Sonar Artist for only 99 bucks, but I don't see anything yet that specifies whether this would include the TTS or similar. If anyone knows, that'd be appreciated information, thanks.

oops, duh, sorry. PG sells the Music Creator 7 that includes the TTS for only 49 bucks.

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The GM2 standard basically has two banks of 128 instruments (GM1 only has one bank of 128 instruments). So you get the standard 128 General MIDI defined instruments, but you also get another 128 instruments to use from (many of which are variations on the original 128).

To use the GM2 selection, you have to make sure that you have a GM2 synth in use. The selection, I believe, allows you to set it however you want (it doesn't know whether the synth is GM2 or not), so you have to make sure you match it up properly.

The Coyote ForteDXi is GM2 compatible.

One thing a number of folks do also is to purchase Cakewalk Music Creator (which you can order from PGMusic for $49, and that gives you a pretty good DAW, but it also gives you the Cakewalk TTS-1 GM2 Softsynth, which is also much better than the CoyoteWT).


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Thanks John! It looks like I was typing in my edits and "oops" while I missed your post.

I'm assuming there is some GM2 synth working currently in my system, because I have it set to "support", and I can use the GM2 instruments in BIAB just fine. So, I guess I should assume that these instrument voices will also sound better when routed to a superior synth (which right now looks like pretty much any of these choices will be better than the current synth, CoyoteWT).


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I don't know if they're one and the same but I was talking about the Roland SD-50 Mobile Studio Canvas module. It's probably one of the most used hardware synths on the market. The sounds are very real.

Back to nuance. That is something that has to be done by a human. I don't know a thing about EZKeys. They may put those feelings in their fonts for the piano. It's all in who originally recorded the midi and what instrument was used.

My broter in law has several synths. They are the best made at the time he bought them. He's also a pianist and uses cakewalk as his sequencer. The sounds coming from that thing are awesome.

One of his keyboards is a Kurtzweil (spl?) The sounds that keyboard can generate are unbelievable. But the way the music sounds is strictly by the way he plays it.

Again, to get what you want out of midi is going to take work and knowhow. I've created several good pieces using the "Piano Roll" button.

One example was a song I redid a couple of years of ago called, "The Sultans of Swing". Altho' the original midi was created by somebody else I went into it and made the lead guitar do things that weren't put in there by the composer.

Here is that song if you'd like to hear it. I hope you enjy it. Remember, I didn't compose this. I'm good, but not that good. laugh

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I remember when you first did that cover, Russ. Good stuff!


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I don't know if they're one and the same but I was talking about the Roland SD-50 Mobile Studio Canvas module. It's probably one of the most used hardware synths on the market. The sounds are very real.

Back to nuance. That is something that has to be done by a human. I don't know a thing about EZKeys. They may put those feelings in their fonts for the piano. It's all in who originally recorded the midi and what instrument was used.

My broter in law has several synths. They are the best made at the time he bought them. He's also a pianist and uses cakewalk as his sequencer. The sounds coming from that thing are awesome.



One of his keyboards is a Kurtzweil (spl?) The sounds that keyboard can generate are unbelievable. But the way the music sounds is strictly by the way he plays it.

Again, to get what you want out of midi is going to take work and knowhow. I've created several good pieces using the "Piano Roll" button.

One example was a song I redid a couple of years of ago called, "The Sultans of Swing". Altho' the original midi was created by somebody else I went into it and made the lead guitar do things that weren't put in there by the composer.

Here is that song if you'd like to hear it. I hope you enjoy it. Remember, I didn't compose this. I'm good, but not that good. laugh



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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
<...snip...> Or am I missing something? NN, what do you use for midi editing? Is there something else we should know about?

I use an old copy of Master Tracks Pro (no longer available). I prefer it because the interface is no complicated by audio functions, so the work gets done with less time with my hands on the mouse. But any modern sequencer or DAW with good MIDI tolls will do. (Note: When I'm done with MIDI, I'll import to Power Tracks Pro Audio to add audio).

The tools available are Piano Roll (my favorite), event list, and notation. Plus there are dedicated dialog boxes for the editing tools just a double-click away (or drop menu).

Another thing I like about Master Tracks Pro that I wish could be incorporated into Power Tracks Pro (hint-hint) wink is the change filter. It lets you fine-tune global edits to particular notes or beats. So if I want to push all the 4th beats of every other measure ahead a few tics, I can highlight the entire song and do just that. If I want to increase or decrease the volume of the rid cymbal, I can highlight the drum track and use the filter to only affect the volume changes to the note my ride cymbal is on.

The MTPro change filter:



and a few of the dialog boxes that will activate the change filter with a mouse click (every change box can use the filter)











With tools like this, you can play with your MIDI files and customize them to the point where they express your musical ideas instead of those of someone else.

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I have an old Sound Canvas SC55 that to my ears surpasses any software General MIDI synth I've heard (and I haven't heard them all).

And the Ketron SD-2 leaves it in the dust.

And like I said before, (1) when the computer's OS gets upgraded, your hardware synth will still work (2) because much of the sounds are in ROM they can be more complex than software synth sounds that need to manufacture each note using math and your computer's CPU (3) virtually no latency (4) you can mix and match dozens of hardware synths, picking the best sounds of each, and there is no taxing of the CPU or latency (it's actually about having the musician 5 feet away from you) (5) I've been using hardware synths since the 1980s, have added new ones to my collection, and have never had one crash or lock up my computer.

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Bob "notes" Norton,
You mentioned Passport Design's Master Tracks Pro above, I haven't heard a reference to that program for decades! I was an early user in the 80's. For me it was the entry into computer music that has continued until today and BIAB.
At one time they were located in Half Moon Bay, CA. and I would go directly to their headquarters to get my updates. The location was about 40 miles away and a brief detour on my way to S.F. to buy band arrangements for my school band.
I rememember in the early 80's I won first place at an Applefest convention by submitting a blues tune, on a floppy, created on Passport's Master Tracks or possibly Encore.
Thanks for triggering great memories.

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Midi is very tricky stuff. Yes, the first thing a noob to digital audio says is midi sounds so dry and artificial, how do I make it sound more realistic?

First thing is the sound quality itself. It seems like every month there's a new thread asking "What's the best synth to use for midi? Here's the latest one:

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=283968#Post283968

Please read all the different opinions on this question.

The next thing about midi is what Notes just explained. It takes serious work backed up by years of experience to take a raw midi track and make it sound real.

The easiest way is if you're a good player already and you record the part yourself as midi, not audio, using a midi controller. Then you go into the piano roll and other editing tools to massage it.

Midi controllers can be a keyboard, guitar, wind and sometimes more esoteric things. If you're not a good player and don't have a controller then you're stuck doing it manually and that gets tedious beyond belief.

I'm not trying to burst anybody's bubble here but you really can't simply load in a midi file and then tweak it to create some killer solo that sounds like a real big name player did it. Is it possible? Sure, IF you're already a killer player but maybe it's on guitar and you need a trumpet solo, then using what you already know you could do it. But, even then it's not easy if you're not already a midi expert.

There are lots of really excellent players who will show up on forums I frequent asking rookie questions about midi and it's hard to know where to begin because it's so complicated to explain.

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Originally Posted By: jazzsax
Bob "notes" Norton,
You mentioned Passport Design's Master Tracks Pro above, I haven't heard a reference to that program for decades! <...snip...>
Thanks for triggering great memories.


Master Tracks Pro's parent company, Passport Designs was purchased by Microsoft to use their video technology in Power Point. They abandoned MTPro, G-Vox bought the program and ruined it. Bugs introduced in 2005 never got resolved.

When G-Vox went down, one of the owners bought it and renamed the company Passport Designs with the intention of bringing the products back. They re-built Encore, but haven't done a thing with MTPro except promise. I think they are under-capitalized for that.

MTPro still has some global editing features that I haven't found anywhere else. With the 'change filter' I can highlight a song or a track and then fine tune just what parts/notes/beats/velocities/etc. of that track I want the changes to apply to. It's a real time saver.

MIDI gets a bad name because it's easy to do a bad job - step enter a tune and you are asking for something sterile. But yet, it's really easy to step enter a tune.

Play it into the sequencer, and you get a live sounding performance as long as your synth can reproduce the nuances that were put into the original.

That makes a good MIDI track that a musician recorded in real time very similar to a Real Track - with the exception that you can edit the MIDI track in thousands of ways that are yet unavailable with recorded audio.

So if you cannot play well, and are reliant on downloading what others play, you can choose a MIDI track as well as a Real Track - you just have to find a MIDI track created by a decent musician.

Then you can change the instrument, transpose with no artifacts, change the speed with no artifacts, change the timing, change notes, change the groove, and play with it to your heart's content.

Don't dis MIDI simply because there are a lot of bad MIDI files out there. It's like dissing all singers because you heard a lousy one at karaoke.

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The one thing I noticed is that the RealTracks I tested with seemed to include the use of Sustain Pedal, while the MIDI output plays more Staccato, as though the Sustain Pedal events have not been captured in the RealCharts (or exported in the MIDI data).




Yes, this is exactly what I am hearing now. As soon as I realized this was what I was hearing I searched for your comment as I remembered reading it, but not sure at the time what the consequence was. I think you are spot on here and this is not a good thing. The full midi with its controls from BIAB is not what is output via the drag and drop. OR perhaps it is there but EZKeys is not using this control feature. This is a big disappointment, as I don't think I will be able to resolve this and will have to just deal with it. Don't know if I can add the sustain.

I have another big issue with the fact that the chord chart is not agreeing between BIAB and EZKeys. I am trying to work thru this one now.


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OR perhaps it is there but EZKeys is not using this control feature.


No, this is not the issue since other midi players confirm the issue with the exported midi file.

I am now thinkin we knew the midi files associated with the RTs had an issue long ago . But thought the midi which accompanied the piano RT was full loaded with all controls. Guess not. Gonna have to work thru this one.


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OK, we still talkin BIAB midi right?

So the MIDI Supertrack transfer to EZKeys and sound great. No difference in the couple I have now worked with. However, the associated MIDI with the RT piano is NO Supertrack.

So I feel better about dropping $99 for the EZK midi 6 pak. By combining those with the available MIDI Supertracks from BIAB I have the start of a good library to work with going forward.


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Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!

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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!

Add updated printing options, enhanced tracks settings, smoother use of MGU and SGU (BB files) within PowerTracks, and more with the latest PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 update!

Learn more about this free update for PowerTracks Pro Audio & download it at www.pgmusic.com/support_windows_pt.htm#2024_5

The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!

The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!

Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.

This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245

The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option

Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!

Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!

For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!

With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!

Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

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