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One reason I decided to upgrade to 2020 was to get those vocal styles I heard, the 2 part a 3 part ones such as _laud.sty or _Glory.
I decided to punch in some cowboy chords for what might sound good (G,A,C,G), a little "Pink Floydy", and I find that the vocals are literally singing wrong notes. It sounds kind of like a comical YouTube video of "World's worst choir) where an inexperienced choir is making a horrible racket.
Is there some way I can improve on this. I understand that these gospel-style background vocals may sound a little bit discordant at times because of the style, but they sometimes seem to be singing completely different chords than the ones I have set in the grid. Perhaps they need more complex chords assigned instead of those basic "cowboy chords"?
Any advice would be appreciated. I was hoping to use these vocals sparingly, just as a little flavor toward the end of some of my songs.
As always, thanks a million!
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My experiments using the demo song chords yielded the same results as you report. Tried forcing the vocals to a simple arrangement, which did not change my results much, if any.
Y'know, it sounds pretty cool if you don't look at the chords. But choices like singing a G# over an Em just don't fit in any of my musical contexts.
My early attempts to use the Oohs/Aahs were similarly frustrating, but these have gotten better over time with PGMusic's improvements, and are now often very useful. Hopefully these newer ones will improve as well.
Sorry I can't offer much more.
DC Ron
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When I tried the progression G A C G just now using _LAUD.STY, it worked for me. What I suggest if it happens is to freeze all the tracks on the file and then send the file to PG Music so that they can hear the issue. They will then implement a fix as soon as the problem is solved. Regards, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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And, how about cutting back on all that vibrato? If BIAB could only get close to the jazzy vocal voicings found in the Genos and SX 900 arranger keyboards. Such voices would layer-in behind chord changes quite well.
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One reason I decided to upgrade to 2020 was to get those vocal styles I heard, the 2 part a 3 part ones such as _laud.sty or _Glory.
I decided to punch in some cowboy chords for what might sound good (G,A,C,G), a little "Pink Floydy", and I find that the vocals are literally singing wrong notes. It sounds kind of like a comical YouTube video of "World's worst choir) where an inexperienced choir is making a horrible racket.
Is there some way I can improve on this. I understand that these gospel-style background vocals may sound a little bit discordant at times because of the style, but they sometimes seem to be singing completely different chords than the ones I have set in the grid. Perhaps they need more complex chords assigned instead of those basic "cowboy chords"?
Any advice would be appreciated. I was hoping to use these vocals sparingly, just as a little flavor toward the end of some of my songs.
As always, thanks a million! Considering your desire to use these vocals "sparingly," you may want to consider creating your own background vocals using Synthesizer V (Synth V for short) with BiaB's vocal styles as reference. Synth V is a powerful free voice synthesizer program that has gotten a lot of attention in the last year or so. You can also create midi files of the notes you want the vocals to sing and import them into Synth V where you can then add your lyrics. And if you happen to use MuseScore, another user has created a script to convert MuseScore files to Synth V formatted files. Though it only has one female English voice, you can create your own male voices from hers that span all of the vocal ranges. I've explained how to do this in the Synth V forums (search for English male vocals topics) and provided links to samples that I created because I'm planning to enhance some of my BiaB created instrumental demos with synthesized vocals due to the fact that I'm not a singer. Here's the link to Synth V's website if you're interested: https://synthesizerv.com/en/
Tom Levan (pronounced La-VAN)
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And, how about cutting back on all that vibrato? If BIAB could only get close to the jazzy vocal voicings found in the Genos and SX 900 arranger keyboards. Such voices would layer-in behind chord changes quite well. You can completely control how much or how little vibrato you want the vocals to have in Synth V as well as how much breathiness and tension.
Tom Levan (pronounced La-VAN)
BiaB 2024 Win UltraPAK Build 1109, Xtra Style PAKs 1-11, RB 2024, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Intel Q9650 3 GHz, 16 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD & 2 TB HDD, Tracktion 6 & 7 (freebies), Cakewalk, Audacity, MuseScore 2.1 & 3.4, Synthesizer V
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One reason I decided to upgrade to 2020 was to get those vocal styles I heard, the 2 part a 3 part ones such as _laud.sty or _Glory.
I decided to punch in some cowboy chords for what might sound good (G,A,C,G), a little "Pink Floydy", and I find that the vocals are literally singing wrong notes. It sounds kind of like a comical YouTube video of "World's worst choir) where an inexperienced choir is making a horrible racket.
Is there some way I can improve on this. I understand that these gospel-style background vocals may sound a little bit discordant at times because of the style, but they sometimes seem to be singing completely different chords than the ones I have set in the grid. Perhaps they need more complex chords assigned instead of those basic "cowboy chords"?
Any advice would be appreciated. I was hoping to use these vocals sparingly, just as a little flavor toward the end of some of my songs.
As always, thanks a million! Hi steambc, Thanks very much for reporting that. I wasn't able to duplicate the issue, and I made a little video showing me using that _laud style, along with the progression you put in: https://youtu.be/Dhl8REVejiIBut, there might be other issues at play in your song file that are causing the issues. Another user mentioned freezing the Band-in-a-Box file and sending that to us, and that would also be a great way for us to hear exactly what you're hearing, and maybe we can help that way as well. Thanks, Tobin
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well done Tobin - what a great way of dealing with a problem
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One reason I decided to upgrade to 2020 was to get those vocal styles I heard, the 2 part a 3 part ones such as _laud.sty or _Glory.
I decided to punch in some cowboy chords for what might sound good (G,A,C,G), a little "Pink Floydy", and I find that the vocals are literally singing wrong notes. It sounds kind of like a comical YouTube video of "World's worst choir) where an inexperienced choir is making a horrible racket.
Is there some way I can improve on this. I understand that these gospel-style background vocals may sound a little bit discordant at times because of the style, but they sometimes seem to be singing completely different chords than the ones I have set in the grid. Perhaps they need more complex chords assigned instead of those basic "cowboy chords"?
Any advice would be appreciated. I was hoping to use these vocals sparingly, just as a little flavor toward the end of some of my songs.
As always, thanks a million! Hi steambc, Thanks very much for reporting that. I wasn't able to duplicate the issue, and I made a little video showing me using that _laud style, along with the progression you put in: https://youtu.be/Dhl8REVejiIBut, there might be other issues at play in your song file that are causing the issues. Another user mentioned freezing the Band-in-a-Box file and sending that to us, and that would also be a great way for us to hear exactly what you're hearing, and maybe we can help that way as well. Thanks, Tobin Wow, thanks to all who responded! I have a serious flu that is making it hard for me to even sit at my desk, so I will reply to everyone shortly as my condition improves. Tobin, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your getting back to me and making the video. I'll bet dollars to donuts that I neglected to set the key. A very stupid rookie mistake. Your examples sounded just fine. My results were comical, but this was because I hadn't set the key... I'm sure of it. To anyone who is reading this and is considering buying this software or upgrading: Don't hesitate! Do it! Look at the attention they give to technical support... Absolutely outstanding. And in version 2020 it is SO MUCH EASIER to find styles and RealTracks that are appropriate for your songs. I was hedging on upgrading from V. 2014 and I am ecstatic that I upgraded. Again, I'll be back in touch with everyone shortly after the flu starts making its exit. Thanks to all. What a great community!
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"well done Tobin - what a great way of dealing with a problem"
You got that right. Where else do we see such attention to customers' concerns?
Last edited by steambc; 01/08/20 08:12 AM.
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One reason I decided to upgrade to 2020 was to get those vocal styles I heard, the 2 part a 3 part ones such as _laud.sty or _Glory.
I decided to punch in some cowboy chords for what might sound good (G,A,C,G), a little "Pink Floydy", and I find that the vocals are literally singing wrong notes. It sounds kind of like a comical YouTube video of "World's worst choir) where an inexperienced choir is making a horrible racket.
Is there some way I can improve on this. I understand that these gospel-style background vocals may sound a little bit discordant at times because of the style, but they sometimes seem to be singing completely different chords than the ones I have set in the grid. Perhaps they need more complex chords assigned instead of those basic "cowboy chords"?
Any advice would be appreciated. I was hoping to use these vocals sparingly, just as a little flavor toward the end of some of my songs.
As always, thanks a million! An old thread, LOL. However, inasmuch as I am still using BIAB 2008 and was having a similar problem - and solved it - I'll post! I set up a backing track to practice saxophone with Keith Jarrett's tune "Country" using the C_Soft style, and kept on hearing occasional minor thirds where they didn't belong, eg. on Bb7sus chords and on Bb/D chords. Really didn't want to hear those #9's! Unchecking "Add embellishment of chords" made them go away.
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