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Ive been having alot of problems with audio drivers and the like and I would greatly appreciate some help or insight in these matters.
I cant get asio4all to work with biab (it crashes). I cant get my soundcard to work with it either (it crashes). I can only get mme and then when I close the window, it crashes.
I can get it to work with having it on MME with Ms Sound mapper as the input driver and the same as the output driver. I heard these werent very good drivers, or the best ones so, why doesnt it work for me?
The only equipment I have so far is a usb audio interface for my guitar, so I dont think it could be the problem.
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You need to post your entire setup...Operating system, service pak, type of machine cpu, memory, hard drive(s) how full they are, what synth you are using, what interfaces etc. Then someone will figure it out with you..
This is fairly common for people who push the limits.....
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Yes, we need to know much more in order to help; you try to sort this out.
Operating System (and which Service Pack, if any)
Computer specs - cpu, amount of ram, hard drive size and type
Soundcard designation -- visit the Control Panel, System, Hardware, Device Manager and get that info directly from the source.
List exactly the listings you see in the MIDI Input/Output window on each side, then hit the Audio Settings button and list what you see there, both when selecting MME and when attempting to select ASIO4ALL drivers.
If you get any error messages, list what they say exactly. Okay to take screenshots of error messages and save to disk as bitmaps or the like in order to make that task easier.
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Thanks guys
OS: windows xp pack 3
quad q6600, 2 gb ram, 500gb disk
onboard sound; realtek high definition
usb audio interface: cakewalk ua-4fx; connected only thru usb. it has line i/o rca, midi i/o (all not used)
windows audio settings: volume;out (ua-4fx). Audio playback; out ua-4fx. Sound recording; in ua-4fx. midi playback; ms gs wavetable(soundcard). Voice playback; realtek. Voice recording; realtek.
I dont know what more info you need.
The only audio drivers that work are ms mapper, but I had asio working fine before I reinstalled everything. I dont know what else to do.
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You have two different sound devices in operation here, the onboard Realtek and the offboard UA4.
ASIO4ALL can address either one and you have to go into the ASIO4ALL Control Panel and tell it which one you want it to use. That would be the one that is hooked to your monitoring speakers at the time.
Tu further confuse the issue, the UA4 likely has native ASIO drivers of its own, too.
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What are the benifits of asio drivers compared to ms mapper? I know asio drivers cut down the latency of signals but if Im playing guitar onto seperate tracks after bb composition. Does it matter?
Is ms mapper good or bad?
Im hearing it and it doesnt sound too badly but I havent really played with bb yet, Ive spent all this time so far just trying to get it to work.
Does mapper work well with realtracks or should I look to work something else?
Right now Im content that I can finally hear some sound but I want the best sound that there is to offer.
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Hey Dfaris,
Good info here for you! I'd like to add my 2 cents>
First, I have a used laptop I just bought for live gigs. It has win Vista and I am having one HELL of a time getting it to work with BIAB and Sonar. I remembered all the issues I had with Vista years ago when it first came out.
My main PC in the house has Win 7 32 bit and it just WORKS! No issues with my EWI wind controller and USB midi keyboard controllers. You have a decent interface, I had that cakewalk model for a short while and it worked fine for me. So, think about the following>
1. Go to the Cakewalk site and try to find the specific OS drivers for your model using Vista SP3.
2. If you find that you are actually using XP or Vista SP 1/2 drivers, first uninstall the driver on your machine, then right click the install file, choose the compatibility tab, and then choose either XP or Vista and also check "Run as Administrator".
3. As Mac suggested, make sure you know the difference between your onboard soundcard settings and your Cake interface settings. This MAY include some boring manual reading but in the end will pay off for you. Some users disable their onboard soundcard all together, this is a good way to keep from seeing confusing error messages or track down issues.
4. If all the above still isn't resolving your issues, I would seriously consider upgrading your OS to Windows 7 32 bit. Like I said before, it is working great for me. Also, I believe Cakewalk now has Win 7 drivers.
Keep us updated, I'm sure plenty of other users are going through the same type of things!
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It is not advisable to use the Microsoft Sound Mapper in any music making program whatsoever.
Just ignore it.
Instead, choose your soundcard's physical input and output selections from the list, by name.
This may be at the heart of your current problems.
Microsoft Sound Mapper was designed for casual computer users, surfing the web, listening to mp3s or streams, watching the occasional video. They did not have the kind of work we need to do in mind at all and the Sound Mapper also will always reroute to anything "windows" rather than the stuff for your soundcard, such as the real manufacturer-supplied drivers, etc.
Just ignore the Microsoft Sound Mapper if it lists itself in any music-making program, never select it and it will be benign.
Beside that, I know of no way to remove it from the list anyway.
Its Winders...
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Instead, choose your soundcard's physical input and output selections from the list, by name.
This may be at the heart of your current problems.
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It crashes if I choose anything else but mapper.
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One of the main benefits to using ASIO in Band-in-a-Box, is when playing live into the program using a MIDI keyboard while at the same time using a VSTi/DXi synth (like the VSC-DXi) for playback. In that case, using ASIO drivers allows you to hear what you're playing on your keyboard with no latency (this is a problem with 'MME' drivers, because there will be a delay between when you press a note on your MIDI keyboard and when you hear the sound). In your case, it doesn't sound like you have a specific need to use ASIO drivers yet, so if you're not having luck with that setup I wouldn't worry too much about it at this point.
Where are you currently hearing sound from? Are your speakers plugged into the line-out on the back of your computer (realtek), or your uafx? Also, are you sure you are using the VSC-DXi - in the MIDI Driver Setup, 'use DXi synth' checked, and VSC-DXi selected in the DX Window. Using a DXi synth (instead of a 'regular' MIDI output driver like the GS Wavetable) ensures that you will hear both MIDI and audio tracks in perfect sync and from the same sound source.
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Ok. Ive been tinkering and I think I got it all good now. If anyone can suggest things to make it better I will send you a case a beer via email. lol Maybe this can help someone else get thru my nightmare and have a less painful education. In BB. Midi/Audio driver set up. . Midi input = UA-4FX (audio interface) . Midi output = MS GS Wavetable SW Synth . Synth/soundcard = Roland VSC DXi (there are other selections which are best?) . Get Patch/drum kit. use vst/dxi synth = checked route midi thru to midi driver = checked vst/dxi synth settings = cakewalk tts-1 . GM2 support = general midi (gm2) support . Audio Settings audio driver type = asio Asio audio drivers = UA-4fx (audio interface) In windows xp. Sounds and Audio devices Properties. Audio. Sound playback = internal soundcard Sound recording = in (ua-4fx) midi playback = MS wavetable . Voice. Voice playback = out UA-4fx Voice recording = in UA-4fx With this setup I can play my guitar thru mu interface and record with Guitar Rig 4 software and also thru Sonar with guitar rig as a plugin (which is very very cool) The only thing I havent tried yet is RealBand. I will, but at the moment all I want to do is have some fun and play some new songs.  Cheers! Edit: I have my headphones plugged into my UA-4fx interface.
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AGAIN!!!!!
For no apparent reason now, I have not changed anything, no settings, no options, nothing!!!
I cant hear no sound and it crashes.
Biab gets me singing its praises then it crashes for no reason but shutting it down and starting it back up again.
I delete the interface.bbw file so I can at least get into it but then it wont let me choose asio drivers (which were working perfectly before) and then I choose MME and I cant hear no sound.
WTF!!!
Why cant biab run good for a whole night is beyond me.
Im afraid to touch it now. Getting it going again only to be dropped from a cliff into despair and frustration.
If I can get biab to run for a whole frickin day wthout crashing. I'll be a happy man.
This is NOT FUN!!
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If you didn't change any BiaB internal settings, I don't think this problem is caused by BiaB. Well, maybe, but it is doubtful given the info at hand.
I'm thinking there is something in the Windows settings doing this.
Control Panel -> Sounds and take a look at what is the default soundcard setting. You may have to try going back and forth there a couple times or more, trying different selections and seeing how the behavior goes. It may take time to do this as if you are doing other things with the computer between BiaB sessions, such as web surfing, running other audio programs, etc. well, something may be changing things.
Another place to look is the Control Panel for the UA soundcard. See if there are any settings in there that will let a host program control such things as bit rate. A locked soundcard that is internally set to, say, something other than 16.44.1 can wreak the kind of havoc you describe with BiaB and ASIO. The soundcard must be set up such that a host program can select the bit depth and samplerate.
Stay patient, these are typically solvable problems.
And know that you are not alone. This kind of situation almost always happens when we are new to the whole game of making Windows make music.
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Thanks Mac. You're a good friend.
Im not giving up because I know that biab has alot to offer. Its just you have to keep banging your head against the wall and you get headaches enough so music is the farthest thing from your mind.
I have downloaded asio4all..again. I have asio drivers from my interface but Ive decided to use asio4all so I get a control panel to direct the outputs. I read that Steinberg is making an asio driver that supports different paths, I cant wait. Seems all these music programs rely on it and when you open one, you cant open the other without hearing any sound.
I have an idea to lay down my tracks in biab then input my guitar in RB or sonar. Thatway I can get the latency from asio drivers without the rejection from biab. I havent tried it yet (I have a headache now) but I will get this to work.
Hopefully.
Cheers!
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ASIO, by definition, is a "one man dog".
Windows/MME/WDM sound drivers, on the other hand, can support having multiple sound programs open at the same time.
What I do, is to use the ASIO drivers only on the program I'm recording in, to take advantage of the lower latency. Any other programs I want to have open at the same time, I set them to use the Windows Sound Drivers. In PGMusic products, that's called "MME".
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I have not had any problems for years, but I don't mess with stuff, don't use a 'DAW' and keep it simple. ASIO drivers caused me no end of misery, and I quit using them. On my main system I went with a Ketron SD2 just for the zero latency and to take the midi off the system and not have to use the Dxi synth.
After that is said I do run, every few weeks, my netbook on top of the acoustic piano into the BOSE radio/cd player and futz about. That works, but with the Dxi and that setup is on the shipped hard drive.
I'm preparing to take Band in a Box for a walk outside soon, but I'm going with mostly Realtracks and will probably export them to an mp3 file before doing so. That said, I remember a very harsh early lesson in trying to get this to settle and work.
I've worked with the 2010 version from early on, and had no problem. That said I'm not one to make extensive use of Soloists, and there seems an update is coming to deal with those issues.
I can't provide more insight than that, I am in Niagara for the weekend (I'm working and the family is 'playing'). As I usually work for less than 5 hours a week, spending a couple of days babysitting a hotel is more of a break than work though.
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I'm preparing to take Band in a Box for a walk outside soon, but I'm going with mostly Realtracks and will probably export them to an mp3 file before doing so.
I've been finding that the new Freeze function works a treat and I can keep BiaB onscreen, have the charts, chords, moving cursor and Lyrics going.
They store in very small filesizes and load like lightning here.
You might give that a try. Hit the snowflake toolbar button and Freeze All Tracks after you have the song the way you want it to be. Hit Save or SaveAs to put in another folder with all the Frozen songs for gigging.
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I've had endless problems with drivers in BIAB. I run several DAWS and have never had these problems ... Cubase5, Ableton6 and AcidPro6.
Event the ASIO4All drivers wouldn't work for me ... except for a minute. I'd get things working ... I thought ... shutdown and boot later to no sound.
The only thing that has worked is the MME drivers. Since I essentially use BIAB as a sketch pad to import midi into Cubase5, the latency isn't an issue for me.
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Prado, it might be that your problem is due to expecting too much from ASIO. As I understand things, ASIO is designed to work with a single program at a time. If you have BIAB open at the same time as one of your DAWs, you are setting the scene for conflicts to happen. MME, on the other hand, can share.
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TY, Noel96 ... but, no.
This is happening with no other programs running. Even if it were, Cubase has an audio setting to release the ASIO drivers when it is not the active window.
Someone else here stated flat out ... since I'm a new user, I'm blocking on their name ... that the Echo Audio Indigo ASIO drivers simply didn't work with BIAB. They recommended ASIO4All, which I've used before, and that didn't work. I also have the 'Multimedia' and 'Full Duplex' ASIO drivers. Some would work once or twice, and then fail. This is on my dual core laptop. I've had the same problem on my desktop DAW with RME ASIO drivers.
But, as I said, since I'm not trying to record ... just use it as a midi sketch pad, the MME drivers are OK with BIAB.
I've also found myself less than thrilled with the DAW plug-in window ... the primary reason I upgraded to 2010 after a long run with v11. Since I can't get the ASIO drivers to work, I cannot run Cubase with it anyway. Also, even though I can 'drag n' drop' a midi file from the desktop or a folder to Cubase; I can 'drag n' drop' a BIAB part to a folder or desktop as a midi file; I can't 'drag n' drop' a BIAB part from the DAW Plugin window to Cubase!
BIAB is 75% brilliant, 15% quirky and 10% a royal PITA.
They should hire away someone from Steinberg/ Yamaha who really knows their Audio stuff, ASIO and VST, and redo the code and add a full fledged multitrack sequencing page that could still utilize BIAB's compositional functions. They'd immediately have a huge market from existing DAW owners and then gradually could build on their sequencing developments to turn our 'One DAW to Rule Them All.'
Yeah, I know they've got, what is it Pro Tracks, but after all the flakiness of BIAB what serious DAW user ... read Logic, Pro Tools, Sonar, Cubase, etc. ... is going to want to walk away from their platform and their investment in time, money, learning and experience for a product from a company that can't even get their flagship to run properly?
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