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#121669 - 07/18/11 05:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: eddie1261]
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Okay so it is possible with Real Band. Cool. The charting I need to do is for some old stuff that none of these guys have heard, much less played. Not nearly as complicated as Mr Toad's Wild Ride (with that INSANE tenor solo by Brandon Fields)...... Buckinghams, Grass Roots, Rascals.... these young whippersnappers!!! Missed the whole white soul era!

Now your next step is to move to Cleveland and play in MY horn band.....




Buckinghams, Grass Roots, Rascals, now that is some cool stuff. But I think you said you already had a keyboard player ....

Good luck with it, there's nothin' more fun than playing in a band like that, especially if you have some outstanding players. Sadly, our horn band broke up. Hard to hold a band together that big. Two or three guys end up doing all the heavy lifting.

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#121670 - 07/20/11 12:31 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: flatfoot]
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>>>...It shows the guitar fretboard, guitar tab, and music staff notation all on the same screen...>>>

BiaB can do all this, and more. There are a few unique tricks in the BiaB notation arsenal. It will do things no other notation program does.




I sure hope I'm wrong, but after playing around with the fretboard/staff notation/Tab it appears that BIAB cannot do what Logic does.

To start, the Youtube video is playing audio taken from an early 1960's recording.
The person has then input the chords onto the fretboard so that when the audio chord changes the fretboard shows the exact chord being played.

The 1960's audio and the fretboard are in PERFECT sync.
Melody notes are also thrown in as well.

The staff notation and tab are perfect too.

How the heck do you accomplish this with BIAB?
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#121671 - 07/20/11 02:09 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: BIABguy]
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How the heck do you accomplish this with BIAB?




In short, you can't. BIAB isn't notation/TAB software and it can't do what even the most basic level notation program can do.

But on the other hand, those programs can't even begin to do what BIAB can. But the two can work hand in hand.

Two totally different animals though.


Edited by bobcflatpicker (07/20/11 02:18 AM)

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#121672 - 07/20/11 02:55 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: BIABguy]
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As a side note, you'll see that PG actually sells Finale. I don't have it, but I understand it's "primo" notation software.

PG doesn't market itself as a notation/TAB program, and it's definitely not, so I'm not sure why flatfoot said what he did.

http://www.pgmusic.com/finale.win.htm


Edited by bobcflatpicker (07/20/11 07:40 AM)
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#121673 - 07/20/11 02:10 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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How the heck do you accomplish this with BIAB?




In short, you can't. BIAB isn't notation/TAB software and it can't do what even the most basic level notation program can do.





Thanks, that's what I thought.
I don't know why Flatfoot said you could.
Because of his affirmation, I spent over an hour last night trying to make it work with no success.
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#121674 - 07/20/11 03:45 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: BIABguy]
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I don't know why Flatfoot said you could.




I don't know anything about this topic, but did anyone ask Flatfoot to give an example? Maybe he does know something we could learn from.
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#121675 - 07/20/11 03:58 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: Matt Finley]
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I'm not a guitar player ... but it appears pretty simple to have BB show notes, tab and fretboard on one screen. Notes and tab are displayed properly for any guitar track. A fretboard pops up whenever you press the, well, fretboard button. Pressing on Play shows a similar appearance as in the Youtube video - up to the note stem gimmicks on the tab staff. Maybe I'm missing something, though ...
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#121676 - 07/20/11 04:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: BIABguy]
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Does anyone know the name of this software and the platform(s) it runs on?




That's a -> comment from the creator:

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J'utilise Logic (sur Mac), il permet de faire défiler la partition et j'ai conçu un manche de guitare virtuel qui s'allume à la réception d'un signal MIDI dans la fenêtre Environnement de Logic.


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#121677 - 07/20/11 04:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: MartinB]
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Maybe I'm missing something, though ...




Martin,

I think there may be some confusion about the term “notation software”. The simplest analogy would be to compare it to going to your local music store and buying a book of blank music staff. Nothing but lines. (I still have a partially used one laying around from many years ago, aka the bad ole days). It’s partially filled with music that I laboriously entered note by note with a pencil.

Fast forward a few years and you have music notation software. You start with a blank slate. You either enter everything manually, import it, or use some sort of MIDI device to enter each note and nuance. (Notice I didn’t say record).

You can either write your own music, or take sheet music and manually enter the whole thing into the program. The programs include options for standard notation and TAB. They will even play the music after you’ve entered it, and use whatever instrument you’ve assigned to each track. You can then print professional quality sheet music, and the sheet music you buy was actually created on a “notation program”.

Examples of “notation programs” are Finale, (which PG Music sells and even offers bundles with BIAB), Sibelious, Guitar Pro, and many others.

BIAB is not a “notation program”. That’s why they sell Finale.
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#121678 - 07/20/11 06:43 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Maybe I'm missing something, though ...




Martin,

I think there may be some confusion about the term “notation software”. The simplest analogy would be to compare it to going to your local music store and buying a book of blank music staff. Nothing but lines. (I still have a partially used one laying around from many years ago, aka the bad ole days). It’s partially filled with music that I laboriously entered note by note with a pencil.

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Examples of “notation programs” are Finale, (which PG Music sells and even offers bundles with BIAB), Sibelious, Guitar Pro, and many others.

BIAB is not a “notation program”. That’s why they sell Finale.




Thanks Bob!
Yup, you definitely need to be a guitar player to appreciate the question(s) being posed.

BTW I downloaded and used the Guitar Pro 6 demo to do the job this time, but it was not easy/user friendly, nor did it have all the features that I hoped it had for the job.
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#121679 - 07/21/11 08:44 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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I think there may be some confusion about the term “notation software”.


Thanks Bob, 'course BiaB doesn't hold a candle to dedicated notation programs, such as Sibelius. Thought it was more about emulating what was being shown on this Youtube video. In terms of emulating the Youtube stuff, BiaB could do that. Plus it was virtually always possible to enter notes or notation into BiaB and have it then played back much in the vein of this Youtube sample.
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#121680 - 07/21/11 09:08 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: MartinB]
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>>>...PG doesn't market itself as a notation/TAB program, and it's definitely not, so I'm not sure why flatfoot said what he did...>>>

1. When I need to print lead sheets quickly, BiaB is my program of choice. While it is true that BiaB does not claim to be a full featured notation program, it fulfills the limited need for lead sheets really well. I can get a song printed in under half an hour, start to finish.

2. The interface-the way BiaB accepts mouse-click entries and figures out the note values is brilliant. Way more intuitive than any other program.

When I need more detailed charts I use Noteworthy, which was recommended by someone on these fora. Very happy with it.
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#121681 - 07/22/11 12:03 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: flatfoot]
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Flatfoot,

Thanks for clarifying that. I just wanted to make sure we didn’t mislead BIABguy into thinking he could use BIAB as “notation software”. I know we all love the program, but we shouldn’t misrepresent it as a “one stop” program for all your musical needs. That would just leave folks pissed at being misled. I know I would be. If we tell them it’s the BEST backing tracks software on the planet on WIN or MAC, they’d find it to be to be true.

Finale is probably gonna be the closest to what he’s looking for compared to the vid on a Windows platform. I suggested Guitar Pro as cheaper alternative, (taking into account that Finale costs 9 or 10 times what GP does, and stringed instruments in general), especially for TAB, which was a criteria for BIABguy.
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#121682 - 07/22/11 12:16 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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>>>.... I know we all love the program, but we shouldn’t misrepresent it as a “one stop” program for all your musical needs...>>>

Yeah,Bob, you are right about that. BiaB would never stack up if it were the only notation program I had.

AND make sure you give Noteworthy Composer a try before you buy any other notation program.

...I wonder if anybody here has both Noteworthy PLUS either Sibelius or Finale. Is there anything Noteworthy WON'T do?

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#121683 - 07/22/11 12:18 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Notation software [Re: MartinB]
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Martin,

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Thanks Bob, 'course BiaB doesn't hold a candle to dedicated notation programs, such as Sibelius. Thought it was more about emulating what was being shown on this Youtube video. In terms of emulating the Youtube stuff, BiaB could do that.




I have to agree with the first part of your statement, "BIAB doesn't hold a candle to dedicated notation programs". But the second part is terribly misleading. PG Music could emulate something similiar to what he saw on the vid, but a user can't.

I try to encourage every musician or wannabe musician to try BIAB, but I don't misrepresent the product and say it can do everything you want in a music program. PG doesn't offer Finale JUST because they want to make a buck. They do it because it fills a void.
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