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Anyone have any experience with the Korg PA-588. I'm looking for a new arranger keyboard, and love the idea of 88 keys with [what's advertised as] real piano-like keys. The sound samples on the web sound great and there's a lot of features for the price, but was curious if anyone had any experience with it.
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Gary Curran knows the Korg line well.
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.... and love the idea of 88 keys with [what's advertised as] real piano-like keys.
I'm not familiar with that model, but I really like the sound of the korgs. Sounds like you know what you want, but just in case this is your first weighted keyboard, I would highly suggest you try a weighted keyboard first. They're great for piano sounds, both electric and acoustic, but not so good for almost everything else. Good organ playing is virtually impossible with weighted keys imo. On the other hand, piano playing is pretty easy to adjust to on a good simi weighted keyboard. Again, I don't know your history, so I'm mentioning this just in case.
I just wish the price wasn't so high on these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2gptBlabEA&feature=related
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Hi, Jim -
I already have a Kurzweil Mark 10 Digital Piano in my living room and it has weighted keys, which I actually prefer. I'm a piano player, not an organ player and prefer the heavier feel of weighted keys. But I like that this instrument has all the other sounds, styles, and features, but like a piano. While still heavy, I can still take it with me. The Kurzweil takes several folks to lift, so it stays in the living room.
I was just hoping someone here had some experience with it and could tell me any pros and cons. I also considered the PA800, but i like the fact that the PA588 has 88 keys and plays more like a piano.
Hopefully some folks can respond.
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John,
I have the PA800. Great sounds. The sounds that you hear on Korg's website are direct out of the keyboard with nothing in between.
For piano playing the weighted 88 keys would be great, but I tend to agree with Jim, if you're going to do any sort of other instrument playing, a non-weighted or semi-weighted keyboard is preferable.
Having said that, I think I prefer the piano sounds of the Yamaha Tyros over that of the Korg. Yamaha has always done piano sounds right.
THe PA800 has some very wonderful sounds, and with the DNC, or Dynamic Nuance Control, they're even better. RX is Real eXperience sounds, and give a more live feel, but you're still dealing with sampled sounds.
Of course, you might also consider the new PA3X, which has a 76 key semi-weighted keyboard, which gives you a lot of space for piano playing, the semi-weighted keyboard for playing other instrument sounds, as well as a full set of features for song writing and public performance.
Good luck to you!
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Hi jford,
**If you live anywhere near one of the big music emporiums, such as Guitar Sinner, you should see if they happen to have the target keyboard on display where you can play it and audition it for yourself.
**As far as the weighted keyboard playing patches other than piano patches, which can be problematic, I solve that problem on gigs by using a second 61-note controller keyboard that has the typical nonweighted "organ" type keys and jack its MIDI output into the Input of the main 88 key weighted synth's MIDI input. By programming the two boards such that the smaller keyboard sends on only one desired channel, you can have the Piano on the main deck while having, say, the organ or strings patch from the big piano on the smaller deck at the same time. Doesn't necessarily have to be a dedicated Controller only situation, I've used older keyboards that have built in synths but just ignore the built in synth in the little keyboard, using it solely as a Controller for the newer 88 key unit.
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John, I have the Pa1xPro arranger and love it. The newer Pa2x is essentially the same as the Pa800 but with 76 keys and no built in speakers. I've played a Pa800 and the sounds are really good. Since you already have that Kurzweil you may think the Korg's pianos are not quite there but I'm picky also and I think they're pretty good even the ones on my older Pa1x.
Two forums for you to haunt are the Korg one that you can access right from Korgs PA website and Synthzone's General Arranger forum. There's lots of opinions of course but generally a lot of folks like the Korgs because they have more and more varied styles than Yamaha or Roland has. Plus people talk about how much easier it is to create your own styles plus the sequencer is much better in the Korgs. That may or may not matter to you. Other features can favor one over the other but for gigging players, a lot of folks including me love the Korgs. One friend of mine uses a Roland G70 and I like it a lot but we both think my Korg has slightly better styles and slightly better overall sound. He's even told me when he upgrades he may get the new Korg Pa3.
The Pa588 from what I've read is somewhere between the Pa500 and 800 but with 88 keys. Sounds like a winner to me for what you need.
Just had a thought, give me the names of some songs you like and I'll do up some MP3's from my Korg and send them to you. If you like them then I suspect the Pa588 would be slighty better soundwise.
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Wow thanks for the offer. Instead of a song list I would be happy hearing something with solo flute, solo trumpet, solo acoustic guitar, brass section and grand piano. Those are the instruments I use most.
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John, There are several demos built into the PA800, these are the same demos that are on Korg's website, but I recorded them directly out of my keyboard so you can hear that there is no difference. The only thing that I've done to the wave form is in some areas I've increased the volume by 3dB to bring it up so it's easier to hear. File size is about 22MB. http://www.catsmeowcafe.com/Music/PA800Demo.mp3Gary
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Cool, thanks Gary. I just listened to a little bit and it sounds great. Gotta head to church now, though, so I'll listen more when I get back. Thanks again.
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Hi, Bob -
I received it and so far everything sounds really good. I'm very impressed by the Korg sounds and the instrument articulations. Very cool.
Thanks also to Gary for his submission of the sounds. I've listened through once and will put my headphones on at work and go through a few more times.
The 588 is looking better every day.
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I just took a closer look at the PA588 on a couple of websites and while I can't find a pic that I can blow up to the point I can actually read the control buttons, there's a lot of missing stuff on that 588 that I have on my Pro model. First, I have 9 drawbars and at least twice the number of style select buttons on the left and sound select buttons on the right but the biggest thing to me is no STS buttons at the bottom of the screen. STS is Single Touch Settings and those are what I used to switch between the trumpet, guitar, sax and organ patches when I did Coming Home for you. The PA800 has those as well so those demo's that Gary sent you may not be too relevant either. STS is the heart of my keyboard for live playing. It's what allows the player to completely change up the patches while the song is playing with no glitches. Without it you have to fumble around hitting the touchscreen, navigating to the soundbank, picking another lead instrument all the while you're trying to play the tune. Just sitting in your living room, you may not care about that but this is a heads up.
It seems like the basic overall sound of the 588 could be the same as my Pro and they talk about having a better piano sample from their home digital piano unit but those demo's I sent you may be deceiving, there's lots of missing controllers and maybe some of the styles I used are not there either. It could be that while it has sounds from the Pro, it doesn't have all of them like that cool flute I used on Ipanema.
I'll be happy to help you out further if more questions develop.
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John, I remind you that the sound clip that I put together are professionally sequenced tracks that are the factory demos, and hence projects what a pro can do with this keyboard. They in no way reflect what *I* can do with the keyboard.    Gary
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@Gary - Yep, figured that it was the demos, but it still shows what the keyboard can do. The sounds are really cool. @Bob - The description of the keyboard includes the following: Quote:
Need to switch sounds fast? STS (Single Touch Setting) buttons allow you to have up to four sounds split and layered across the keyboard and switch them all instantly with a single button press. Four STS assignments can be saved independently for each Style. Each of the 256 Performance settings can instantly recall the Style, Sounds, effects, tempo, key and scale used to perform a particular song.
I presume that's what you are talking about.
You can see all the other features here and the product details here.
I realize the 588 will have fewer features than the 800, but I suspect a lot of that is represented in the fact that the PA-800 costs $700 more than the PA-588.
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John, Nice thing about the PA800 and PA588 is that the STS buttons are actually ON the touchscreen, and furthermore, they're actually labeled, unlike the PA1X Pro and the PA80. So, you know that when you're reaching for the piano sound instead of the sax sound, because you forgot which button was which. The display is customize-able to allow you to display that page you want. Mine usually sits on the STS page, which to me, is kind of like the 'Home Page.' The four sounds layered across the keyboard is kind of a misnomer. In Style Play mode, you can split the keyboard into upper and lower sections and then have one sound on the lower, and layer up to three sounds on the upper half of the keyboard. So, you could have two grand pianos, offset by an octave on the upper, with a set of strings behind them, and an organ pad on the lower half of the keyboard. One other thing that I don't use, because I don't play live, is the Performance capability of the keyboard. It's possible for you to set up and save your own Performances, hundreds of them. They can save styles, keysplits, sounds (patches), a complete STS system, style variations, pad assignments, and most anything else the keyboard can do. Just select the Performance you want and everything gets loaded. Another nice thing about the PA588 is the Songbook capability. You can save settings, backing sequences, even MIDI files for a particular song. Press the Songbook feature and scroll to that song and choose it, and everything is ready to go. If the song includes a MIDI file, that file will get loaded into the on board sequencer, and you can play the file from Song Play mode, and play along with it. Gives you a full BIAB orchestrated background, saved as a midi file, with all the patches and such of the PA588 playing, and all you need to do is play your part. The PA800, and I believe the PA588 each have TWO built in sequencers, which allow you to have two different songs loaded at the same time, and you can start the second as the first is ending, and then crossfade to the second one. A LOT of capability built into these keyboards. Gary
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Aha, that's where the STS buttons are, on the screen itself. Even though the STS sounds are labeled and that's cool, there's still 3 upper sounds and 1 or 2 of them are usually muted so that's where you can go in and set that up exactly the way you want for any particular song. So when I was playing those different solo instruments I had 3 to choose from inside each STS. Once you have that all dialed in like Gary says there's a lot to these keyboards.
It looks like the entire sound engine is based on the Pa2/PA500 series and that's quite a bit better than mine. I do have the TC Helicon vocal processor plus I have 10 style and 10 sound buttons and it looks like the 588 has 8 each so maybe it doesn't have the same number of styles and sounds but it still has a lot, or maybe they simply consolidated some of them and it has the same or more. I don't think you would be disappointed at all.
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John,
I sent you a PM.
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And to think it all "started" with the PA-80...cough, cough...!
Even put a hard-disk in it myself, and I still love the ol' thing's super sounds...
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Actually, GD, it started with the i3, which totally blew me away when I first heard it. My first keyboard was an ix300, and then I moved to the PA80, and now have the PA800, and would, as I said, love to have a PA3X.
Gary
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