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#138988 - 12/10/11 08:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: A little bit disappointed with BIAB 2012 [Re: avatars_the_titletrack]
Cerio Offline
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Registered: 11/13/05
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I don't see your point either....so far I have had no problem with the undo, I don't have a problem with the interface and with 80 per cent of the things you mentioned. My problem about Biab has always been the chord recognition (uncalled for alterations, extensions, etc, even with the options disabled) and the fact that there isn't a MIDI software module that can match the quality of a Ketron SD2 at the very least, without spending a small fortune on a MIDI module.




I'm pretty sure that every user uses the program in his own way, depending of his interests, his abilities and his own way of working. Not being a pianist myself, for example, I don't care about chord recognition in BIAB, but that doesn't make your problem "ridicolous", I wouldn't never say that. It's a legitimate problem, and you're doing well exposing it here or in the wishlist.

In the same way, I've lost a lot ot time (believe me) because the Undo feature didn't worked when it supposed to do, that's why I exposed this particular problem (between others) here, in the hope that Peter and his team will address it on future updates. Of course I can live with it, but I'm not doing nothing "ridicolous" reporting the problem here.

With all respects, what I've never understood is why some people make sarcastic comments about other people's suggestions (or, even worse, disrespectful assumptions about these persons) just because that suggestions don't fit with their particular interests or their personal way of working .

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#138989 - 12/10/11 08:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: A little bit disappointed with BIAB 2012 [Re: avatars_the_titletrack]
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Registered: 08/18/07
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Loc: Fort Worth TX, USA
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Cerio,
I would argue, however, that BIAB is not a full fledged sequencer like Cubase and doesn't claim to be.






why not? Realband was made to offer Cubase-like functionality plus the Biab accompaniment. They are all sequencers. They are all program that allow you to record MIDI or audio and edit it. Never understood this dumb stigma where basically someone says with the nose up in the air: 'uh, no, if it's not Cubase 513b then I don't feel professional enough'

I still use Cubase, mainly because I have my older projects on it. Cubase LE version 1, paid 15 bucks used. Would never spend more than that on it, but on Biab I have no problem spending some money on.




why not? it simply isn't. if you use Cubase then you should know that RB doesn't come close to being a full fledged sequencer. that's OK. it's a tool that has a place in the market. but it's not cubase.

you're being a little too "defensive" here - it's not about DAW "snobbery." it's not about "feeling professional." there are many functions Cubase can do that RB cannot. but RB is not designed to do those things. it's designed to integrate BIAB styles and RT into a managable format.

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#138990 - 12/10/11 08:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: A little bit disappointed with BIAB 2012 [Re: Cerio]
Beagle Offline
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Registered: 08/18/07
Posts: 674
Loc: Fort Worth TX, USA
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I don't see your point either....so far I have had no problem with the undo, I don't have a problem with the interface and with 80 per cent of the things you mentioned. My problem about Biab has always been the chord recognition (uncalled for alterations, extensions, etc, even with the options disabled) and the fact that there isn't a MIDI software module that can match the quality of a Ketron SD2 at the very least, without spending a small fortune on a MIDI module.




I'm pretty sure that every user uses the program in his own way, depending of his interests, his abilities and his own way of working. Not being a pianist myself, for example, I don't care about chord recognition in BIAB, but that doesn't make your problem "ridicolous", I wouldn't never say that. It's a legitimate problem, and you're doing well exposing it here or in the wishlist.

In the same way, I've lost a lot ot time (believe me) because the Undo feature didn't worked when it supposed to do, that's why I exposed this particular problem (between others) here, in the hope that Peter and his team will address it on future updates. Of course I can live with it, but I'm not doing nothing "ridicolous" reporting the problem here.

With all respects, what I've never understood is why some people make sarcastic comments about other people's suggestions (or, even worse, disrespectful assumptions about these persons) just because that suggestions don't fit with their particular interests or their personal way of working .




there have been numerous times I've tried to undo something and it will undo more than the last thing I did. that's my beef with it. I want clean, simple one function undo.

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#138991 - 12/10/11 12:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: A little bit disappointed with BIAB 2012 [Re: avatars_the_titletrack]
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Registered: 05/29/00
Posts: 38502
Loc: Chesapeake, Virginia USA
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I actually found very strange the inclusion of Amplitube. It's a useful vst if you want to record your guitar, but why would anyone choose a realtrack DI guitar with Amplitube rather than a realtrack with the recording from a real tube amp. I much prefer the latter, but hey...




First, over the years I have found that not all new features are liked by all the different uses and users of BiaB. Your own chosen use of the program may or may not require using one or more of any new features, but that doesn't mean that there are others who have been dying for just that one new feature.

I've taken to calling Band in a Box 2012 "The Producer's Edition" - simply because the addition of the ability to have Dry realguitar tracks, among others, and also the ability to combine two or more VSTi softsynths for MIDI parts, allows for a lot more ability when producing a finished product.

As for the Guitar Amp/Cab simulators, when in the process of creating a mix to get a certain overall sound going, sometimes being able to "reamp" a guitar track, making it more gritty, less gritty, or maybe sculpting the EQ from the standpoint of Guitar Amo EQ rather than applying an overall audio EQ after the fact in an attempt to get a desired mixfit can make a very huge difference in the way the rest of the project is approached. This simply gives us more options at that point and I find that to be a Good Thing.

Incidentally, reamping like that is not just for Guitars, it can also be used on Bass tracks to a great advantage, as well as some of the Rhodes piano tracks. For example, running a Rhodes track through Amplitude guitar amplifier simulator can yield "that" sound of the Rhodes Stage Piano connected to a guitar amp. Add a Compressor at the input, and with a bit of careful diddling, I found that it is rather nice to be able to emlate the sound of the famous (infamous?) Steely Dan Rhodes - really the "West Coast Rhodes" sound as heard on other recordings as well, think "LA Express" etc.

The best thing about New Features is that, if there happens to be one or more that does not seem to have any use to you at the time or fit into your chosen use of the program, well you don't have to use it.

But I think it is nice to keep those in mind for possible future endeavors, never know when one of them might be just the ticket for solving a problem in a project.

And its always cool to experiment around and learn something new.


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