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I have an older athlon 1800 mhz single core with 1 gig mem and either an internal realtek sound device or an inexpensive pci sound card to use in this system. ll drivers are current and am using XP with BIAB 10.5 righ now.
When I'm using BIAB about 4 bars into a song, small or large, I get a stuttering of the midi and or rt's for about .5 secs. This will happen every time but not at the same place and it repeats about every 2 to 6 bars.
Currently I'm using the PCI card with th other turned off in bios but both do the same thing.I also have the dsl on this machine and am wondering if this interrupt is coming from the dsl or what else might be doing this.
Anyone have any ideas. I just thought of the dsl as I was typing this so I'll have to test this later.
Thanks Wyndham
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ASIO or MME? Try MME see if it behaves better.
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Wyndham, this may be way too obvious but, did you try a defrag? Often the files become scattered over the drive and the seek delays become audible. They would probably change too.
Further, are your drivers all current?
Also, what Dan said.
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I'm running MME and defrag could be the issue, I'll try that first. all drivers up to date.
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Hi Wynham.
You don't mention which midi drivers you have selected. Make sure you haven't got MIDI MAPPER and another driver selected at the same time time. MIDI MAPPER isn't a driver in itself, it just routes the signal to what it thinks is appropriate, so you could end up with the same driver selected twice. This can cause the type of problem you're having.
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Hey Rog, I went through that area, I'm starting to think it might be MB since it's as old as it is. There's definitely an interrupt crashing in from somewhere and that could be coming from the Ethernet card, that's how old the MB is.
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Wyndham, One other thing to try is "Speed up Generation of Realtracks". I'm not sure about this but I seem to recall that 2010.5 had this feature. See if this feature is activated and, if so, deactivate it by removing the check mark. You'll need to exit BIAB and restart it for the change to take effect.  It's accessed by Opts | Preferences | Realtracks. Regards, Noel
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...using XP with BIAB 10.5 righ now...
*Have you downloaded and installed the last available UPDATE to the BB program? If not, do so right away.
*Upgrading XP to SP3 is recommended as well.
*If using ASIO drivers, visit the Control Panel -> Hardware and locate the tab window that has the Performance settings and set Background Services as selection.
*While in the same as above, locate the Virtual Memory section and set it to Custom, then enter twice your physical ram size in the top box, enter twice that into the bottom box. ex: If running 1 gig of RAM, set the top box to 1024 and the bottom box to 2048.
*DEFRAG the hard drive.
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Doubt defrag will help you. Defag plays a very MINOR role in anything unlike what a lot of people think. Files load from the hard drive, not run from it. Everything runs in RAM, so the defrag part of the discussion has to do with defragmented files loading from hard drive to RAM maybe a second slower than contiguous files. Even files that you think are running from your drive do not run from you drive. You see them buffering ahead sometimes, but if songs played from the drive, you wouldn't have any loading time when you load the song into RB.
Defrag is of some minor value in that it makes for less movement of the drive head if the files are contiguous, but in the grand scheme, it doesn't mean much. I used to sit back and watch newbie help desk people tell customers to defrag and restart, and it was the restart that did the magic because it cleared the RAM during the restart.
I would suggest that you regularly click your start button (if you have XP click RUN next) and pu tin %temp% and delete everything it will let you. (You can not delete a file in use, so anything with the current date will not delete.) That keeps the OS from looking through a big file of temp folders and attempting to recover anything.
Defrag mattered much more back in the older days of slow spinning drives and before the NTFS file system which is much more efficient than standard FAT or FAT32. Newer drives write "smarter", though there will always be fragmentation to some degree. A drive spinning at 10,00 RPM will load fast even if there is some defragmentation. On the older 5400 RPM drives you could see some difference.
The stuttering is more likely due to your use of ASIO, as I leaned the very hard way during my MOTU interface experiment. Those drivers are SO tempermental! Changing to MME should fix it.
The virtual memory tip above may help, but make sure you don't make the virtual drive swap space too small or you will lock teh computer up tighter than a bullfrog's butt.
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I agree, eddie, which is why defrag was placed last, after all that other stuff to try.
If someone does not have enough physical RAM, though, RealTracks can indeed stutter because of a fragmented hard drive. I've seen it. When Disk Swap starts and the drive is fragmented, all sorts of stuttering and other timing probs can occur in BB with the Realtracks.
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Absolutely, Mac, which is why it is a GREAT idea to have a dedicated computer with just an OS, preferably Windows 7 because Windows 7 will access much more RAM than XP, and RB.
Not calling anybody out here, but after years of end user support, and particularly about 4 years at an internet provider, I have found that your average level user knows about a half dozen computer buzzwords and injects them into every conversation, typically applying them where they don't fit at all. Most human beings are defensive by nature and don't want to think they look stupid so they use "their words". I once had a caller tell me she defragged her hard drive every day because it made the internet work faster. I heard another they would "change server" to get a better connection. Yet another told me that they had a LOT of memory ("I have 2 terrabytes of memory!") and cursed at me and hung up on me when I explained that her hard drive was not memory, it was storage. "Driver" gets tossed in there a lot too. And I ask the same question every time that comes up. If your computer worked yesterday, and the day before and the day before that, why is it people think that because some OEM releases a new driver, an update is mandatory? With drivers, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. I see it here WAY too often. "Get the latest driver for your sound card." No. Don't. If it worked yesterday, why would it not work today? When something breaks it will be the application itself 99% of the time. And often, the thing that usually breaks it is updating drivers just because.
Bottom line, dedicate a computer to your RB. Buy the fastest processor you can afford and as much RAM as your OS will support. I suggest Windows 7 with 8gb of RAM. Also understand that putting 12gbs of RAM in a Windows XP machine is NOT going to make it run better. That's another fallacy, that more RAM is better, because you only actually use what the motherboard and OS will access/support. Don't use that dedicated computer to surf, read mail, download *****, burn DVDs..... nothing but music. MOST of your issues will disappear.
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Don't use that dedicated computer to surf, read mail, download *****, burn DVDs..... nothing but music. MOST of your issues will disappear.
+1. Great advice Eddie.
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Goog advice Eddie. The biggest issue I had was with a wireless card that was installed on my system. Even though I wasn't using it, it still polled the system and network about every 15 seconds causing stutter and drop-outs. Its now disabled and problem solved.
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Good advice all. What hasn't been mentioned is how large and how much free space is available on the system drive. Less than 10 gigs could be the culprit right there. Time to delete stuff and clean up the drive. Second is that box is an antique. I've had this conversation before with several folks here who keep saying BB/RB runs fine on a clean old machine. Not really. Yes it will run fine if, if, if. Not too many RT's, like maybe 2 or even keep it all midi. The synth. Watch the drivers, etc.
This subject comes up here all the time. I've got a problem. What's the specs on your machine? It's crap. I see that and I don't get involved any more in trying to solve the problem. The true solution here is to scrap it and get something newer. The usually good mantra "if it ain't broke don't fix it" does not apply to the computer itself. These things turn to trash just like any other electro/mechanical device. That box is worth exactly zero. You would have a hard time giving it away. If you can't afford a brand new system at least get a 2 or 3 year old multi core with a minimum of 2 gigs ram. Those are available all over the place on Craigslist and thriftshops for like $150.
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I have found that the Ethernet connection seems the be the issue. Quote:
Good advice Eddie. The biggest issue I had was with a wireless card that was installed on my system. Even though I wasn't using it, it still polled the system and network about every 15 seconds causing stutter and drop-outs. Its now disabled and problem solved.
Eddie"s right on sooo many points.
Anyway thanks all,BIAB is a great tool,wish I had more time to get more out of it. I'm more like a duffer golfer that shoots 100+ on the first nine and goes home happy the weather was so nice and the help from all is appreciated.
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Speak of the devil check this out:
Improved: ASIO stability and timing with large buffers is improved. MIDI soft-synth timing with large ASIO buffers is much better, although still will remain dependent on the speed of the computer, the nature of the DXi or VSTi synths used, and the quality of the ASIO drivers.
This is first on the list of fixes in 2012 Build 350 just posted today.
Another reason to try to upgrade both your computer and Biab. Certain glitchy things are well known and PG keeps working on them.
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