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Okay, so here's what prompted yet another late night post.
Did some re-singing tonight. Mixed down a new lead vocal and 2 bgv tracks. They sounded PRIMO in RB. Balance and effects wise anyway. (I still can't find that "anti-nasal whiney" effect.)
Now, given RB's inability to dump to MP3 anymore, I have to use the intermediary step of dumping out to a WAV, sending it into Adobe Audition, and saving out to a 320k MP3 file that way. To test, I played the song back in this order.
RB multitracks
Merged WAV file played in RB
Merged WAV file played in Audition
Merged WAV file played in VLC player
Merged WAV file played in WMP
Merged WAV file played in Real Player
MP3 file played in Real Player
MP3 file played in WMP
MP3 file played in VLC Player
MP3 file played in Audition
MP3 file played in RB
ONLY as a RB file played in RB did the mix sound like it was when I sent it out. In every form factor after the merge to WAV, the vocals were out of balance. The 2 bgv tracks were so soft I could barely tell them were there.
Doesn't take Inspector Clouseau to figure out that the merge to WAV is where the bgv got lost in translation. So either I am doing something wrong, or RB is not sending out a representative mix when merging to a stereo WAV. Obvious resolutions are to find another way to take it from RB tracks to MP3, but until they fix that bug, I am kind of SOL here. Remember, the last couple of songs had bgv sent to me as done by a group singing them and they were already a WAV when they go there. I just loaded that WAV with the other WAV files RB created (I save every song as individual WAV files) into SONAR and mixed it there.
I mean guys, this was drastic. They were fine in RB but after the merge to a WAV those 2 tracks almost disappeared. So why THOSE 2 tracks? Why not the organ fills, or the hi hat ride?
Is RB trying to tell me to stop singing (like pretty much everybody else does)?
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Is RB trying to tell me to stop singing (like pretty much everybody else does)? The answer is Yes! lol Are you recording using a MP3 BGV as a track? If so covert it to a wave first before adding it to the mix.
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Are you still using a multi-out soundcard system?
Sounds like routing in RB may include theose tracks getting sent out on a audio buss other than the main out (which is the path for the mixdown)Could it be in your signal routing for monitoring?
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No, Tommy, I am singing the harmony lines into a RB track like any other overdub. In 2 previous songs the BGV was sent to me as WAV files and on those 2 songs I had no issue, nor have I had this happen before. Every troubleshooter's nightmare - inconsistent problems.
Harv, no, the MOTU stuff went away when I bought the control surface. Once the software issue was patched and I was able to do what I wanted, it quickly became cumbersome to be running cables for every session that called for an equipment change. Now everything runs through a 24 point patch panel, stays in software, and I just need to plug in jumpers.
And where would audio output hardware enter this equation when I am exporting data? I mean once the tracks are there, in theory I could totally detach the M-Audio. It's work is done. The step where the issue pops up is software dump/merge to a file.
Puzzling indeed.
I think RB is saying "Send it to The Bluebelles!"
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If you are monitoring it during playback using mutiple outs and have the background vocals routed through the soundcard software using a different channel, the output on that channel could be adjusted differently, making it louder on playback than it would end up on digital mixdown. Hence my question..
But if you are monitoring in simple stereo this wouldn't come into play.
Just a thought I had.
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given RB's inability to dump to MP3 anymore
Should be able to use mp3 in RB if you have a codec installed.
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Should be able to use mp3 in RB if you have a codec installed.
Hmmm... I have the most recent K-Lite codec pack, and when I posted this subject about a month ago someone replied that there is a known issue with dumping to MP3.
I should restate that. It isn't that it doesn't work, rather that the format options are so limited that I don't bother. I want 44,100 at 320 and that is not there.
Can you suggest a codec pack that will make it work again? I have always leaned on K-Lite to be the supplier of the best codec packs around.
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Should be able to use mp3 in RB if you have a codec installed.
Hmmm... I have the most recent K-Lite codec pack, and when I posted this subject about a month ago someone replied that there is a known issue with dumping to MP3.
I should restate that. It isn't that it doesn't work, rather that the format options are so limited that I don't bother. I want 44,100 at 320 and that is not there.
Can you suggest a codec pack that will make it work again? I have always leaned on K-Lite to be the supplier of the best codec packs around.
There is no known issue. I posted for you that I have no issue dumping to MP3
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In the old thread there are 3 other people having this issue. I wouldn't call that global, but I will say that 4 makes it not isolated. All 4 of us get the same error message:
"Can't get stream data"
Now, computer nerd logic.
Lame encoder, not quite as lame encoder, hip encoder, Bob's encoder... whatever encoder. No shades of gray. They work or they don't. So, (nerd mode) if I CAN open Adobe Audition, or Goldwave, or Audacity, and take a file from WAV to MP3, the encoder is working. It is a piece of software with no brain and no ability to pick and choose when it will work. It doesn't know if it is being invoked by Audacity, Real Band, Goldwave or Audition. I tested in Real Band at 44,100 at every rate from 128 to 320 and got the same error at every rate.
So I sit here thinking about that computer. "What has changed between the time it last worked and the first time it DIDN'T work?" And the answer is nothing. Things have changed SINCE it stopped working, but only downloading the K-Lite 910 codec pack, and that didn't break Audacity, Audition or Goldwave. It is just RB that is broken.
As we tell help desk callers to break any tension, "Perplexing indeed."
RB 2012 with the #6 patch, as I had when this still worked. Literally nothing has changed on that computer. I use it only for RB.
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Is support's mail address inside PG simply "support"? I want to touch base with them about this not being able to send out to MP3 issue. Too weird. It CAN'T be a codec because I can make MP3s with 3 other software products. 4 if I wasn't too cheap to buy Sonar's "unlock" for the feature. Hey, I am trying to get out of debt and 10 bucks is 10 bucks....
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I still can't find that "anti-nasal whiney" effect.
I know you're (mostly) kidding, but there are a lot of interesting suggestions on Google. My initial thought was a very focused EQ cut would work, but a lot of people are against that. Particular mikes are harsher than others, so that might help. Placing the microphone higher (so the singer looks up) also comes up.
But working on proper technique is still the best solution.
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Eddie,
If I understand your issue, even 2 track mixdown to .wav doesn't sound right to your ears. Like rharv is saying, writing to .wav shouldn't change MIX perception too much. There is something squirrely about how the mix is appearing at your ears as a difference between RB and the .wav print.
Some other thoughts for when this has popped up before:
1. Is it possible that one audition is MONO and the other is STEREO? A stereo mix on some tracks that don't mix well to mono could be cuplrit here.
2. Are both being played through the same hardware (had to ask)
-Scott
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When in WAV format, the first playback is on the same computer that I used to work the song, which means they play back through Wharfedale near field monitors at 100w each. Step 2 is a system downstairs running through the room stereo. Step 3 is a desktop with stereo and sub woofer. Then after taking it to MP3 (in both 320kb and 128kb) it goes to computers and then a car ride (the dog loves it when I need to hear a song on car stereo!).
Everything in the source is stereo.
I have even tested this to the point where I create the WAV, close everything, restart RB, load the song back in and do it again and the second time through it is fine.
I am starting to want to blame ear fatigue due to listening to the same thing 150 times as I tweak it. I need to learn that "walk away for 15 minutes" trick.
This is the kind of thing where I annoy myself, Scott. I work with the EQ on the vocals, get it how I like it, and move on. Until Saturday when I finally saw the "save preset" option on the EQ and saved it. I did the same for the reverb, the flanger for the guitar.... now when I want to EQ vocals I don't have to start the pick and choose method from scratch every time.
Everybody join me here.....
"DUH"......
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You are correct abt one thing and that's RB doesn't seem to support that sample & bit rate.
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No, it DOES "support" it, because if you think about it, when you are encoding you are not using RB. You are using a 3rd party encoder. If the encoder was part of RB, you wouldn't need a codec pack.
Also, remember, it works for you, nnumerous others, and used to work for me.
Also remember, that in 3 other packages, I can convert to 44,100 at any bit rate. That's why this is so puzzling to me. Nothing changes on my computer. Ever. I don't update, upgrade, it ain't broke so I don't fix it. I will NEVER update a driver unless my current driver breaks. You shouldn't update drivers just because they are available unless you have the problem the update is supposed to fix. If I read "Addresses video problem of shadows under the figures when playing Kill Them All And Let God Sort Them Out", and I don't have that specific problem, there is no need to update the driver. I will remove and reinstall the same thing again, buut never change to something new unless it addresses an issue I am having. And there is no driver incolved with encoding a data stream into another format. Pulling hair out here!!
Remember, it USED to work. Same RB, same patch level, same OS, same hardware, same everything.
This is something deeply seeded and I will now not rest until I figure it out.
Yes.
I am a geek.
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It works for me but not at that rate. I guess there's something I just don't understand here.I can use other rates in other programs.
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I just checked to make sure. I have all sorts of options in Audition. I just saved to 44.1X320 MP3. So why is that not available in RB?
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