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#171396 - 09/01/12 08:46 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: silvertones]
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I just landed a new gig at a Bowling Alley!!New owners,last 2 years, trying to build it into more then just bowling.I will play every Sat. from 7-9+ as well as special functions.Has a great room with nice dance floor as well as an outside covered deck.She wants to promote special functions.Falls right in step with my animal cause. I'm very excited.I love house gigs.



Well that was fun while it lasted.Never even got off the ground thanks to BMI. They just can't afford the fees.The Cafe next door got hit about 6 weeks ago. I figured I'd get one gig in.We must have a BMI rep, official or un-official, living in the Town. I know the Law is the Law but come on.An old goat playing a few cover tunes at a bowling alley in hopes of raising a few bucks for the animals.Now I don't get anything & neither do they.What's this World coming to?
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#171397 - 09/01/12 09:14 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: silvertones]
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Sorry to hear about that John. I thought this was a win-win for the business, the community and the animals....everyone except the bureaucrats. While I too understand that the law is the law, you sometimes have to wonder who benefits from what. Helping a small business grow, helping the community have a wholesome place to go and helping the animals...that seems like great combination...perhaps except to lawyers.
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#171398 - 09/01/12 09:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: silvertones]
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Congrats John,

I'm envious. I'd do anything to get that kind of gig, except of course practice and promote myself.

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#171399 - 09/01/12 03:57 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: toucher]
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"Never even got off the ground thanks to BMI"

"An old goat playing a few cover tunes at a bowling alley in hopes of raising a few bucks for the animals."

It don't matter, if you don't pay ya don't play. The bad part it trying to figure out HOW much $$ is getting to the Original Artist since the crack downs have started...

I wonder when they will be popping in my weekend sitting on the porch jam that we do here....I mean we ARE outside, playing to family & friends.....
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#171400 - 09/01/12 05:27 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: toucher]
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Congrats John,

I'm envious. I'd do anything to get that kind of gig, except of course practice and promote myself.

Rob




Now that was funny I don't care where ya from!

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#171401 - 09/01/12 05:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: Danny C.]
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John,

Sorry to here the bad news re: the gig.

Really make one think about the big picture.

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#171402 - 09/01/12 10:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: Danny C.]
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John, I'm sorry that the gig fell through. I haven't been to a bowling alley for a long time, but I seem to recall it having a juke box and/or piped music running.
Is that the case with the place you were booked to play? If so,they must have a permit or license for that. And if so, wouldn't that cover you?
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#171403 - 09/02/12 07:58 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: Keith from Oz]
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John, I'm sorry that the gig fell through. I haven't been to a bowling alley for a long time, but I seem to recall it having a juke box and/or piped music running.
Is that the case with the place you were booked to play? If so,they must have a permit or license for that. And if so, wouldn't that cover you?




There is a specific form and formular to determine the fee. the single jukeboxe is ~$350/yr. If you have a live player it then depends on how often and how large you are. Fee would approach ~$1000/yr.

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#171404 - 09/02/12 08:18 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: MusicStudent]
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Let's hear it for the music industry for supporting live music--NOT.

Seriously, how is a band supposed to address this? Do we now have to get a license for every cover we play? And how to make that workable for players and clubs? What else? What am I not asking here?
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#171405 - 09/02/12 08:39 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: Ryszard]
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Let's hear it for the music industry for supporting live music--NOT.

Seriously, how is a band supposed to address this? Do we now have to get a license for every cover we play? And how to make that workable for players and clubs? What else? What am I not asking here?




The cost is supposted to be paid by the club management, as the "price of doing business". You want to play nice and follow the rules and get along? pay the money!

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#171406 - 09/02/12 05:06 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: MusicStudent]
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I called to ask if I could buy a license.Nope.I asked can the venue get a license month to month to see how it works out.Nope. Got to pay for a year.The initial Cafe that got caught and thus ended the Bowling Alley gig seats 20 people.She wanted music 1 night a week.Play the radio the rest of the time. 3 Agencies involved ,BMI,ASCAP & another who's name escapes me.Was over $1000 up front for the year.She could pay on a monthly basis but had to commit for a year and the interest was very high. Starting to ring a bell folks?
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#171407 - 09/02/12 11:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: silvertones]
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I called to ask if I could buy a license.Nope.I asked can the venue get a license month to month to see how it works out.Nope. Got to pay for a year.The initial Cafe that got caught and thus ended the Bowling Alley gig seats 20 people.She wanted music 1 night a week.Play the radio the rest of the time. 3 Agencies involved ,BMI,ASCAP & another who's name escapes me.Was over $1000 up front for the year.She could pay on a monthly basis but had to commit for a year and the interest was very high. Starting to ring a bell folks?




Said it before, and I'll say it again...
I see more and more local venues advertising for acts that play ONLY original material.. presumably because:

1) They can have live music to lure customers, but...
2) they won't have to pay fees to the sharks
3) original songs are cooler anyway if you want to pass off your establishment as being an "artsy" place

all of which gives us a distinct advantage, because BIAB and RB make it just as easy to lay down original tracks as covers.

Don't give up John. You are a very talented guy who DOES have his act together. These others are the ones who don't. Survivors are those who have the tools to adapt to the new reality. You're a survivor, and so are the rest of us.

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#171408 - 09/02/12 11:44 PM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: Pat Marr]
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Another thing to try:

in an effort to revitalize and draw customers to downtown areas of most towns, merchants organize street music events that benefit all of the downtown merchants. Because the cost of fees gets absorbed by all of them, it's more affordable, and I dare say that all downtowns already have such a license to cover their year's events.

You just need to contact whatever agency is responsible for booking the bands (most merchants should know who this is)

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#171409 - 09/03/12 12:00 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: silvertones]
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I don't think you will hear complaints about the current system of licensing venues from musicians who earn a substantial part of their living from playing live music. Most of the complaints that I read or hear about are from folks wanting to break into the business on the cheap. Although I understand the sentiment, I don't think it helps the profession to enable venues to put out product just to see if it works. Someone who wants to cut corners on license fees is also going to want to cut corners on paying the talent. That means either good talent not getting paid a living wage or bad talent that is willing to work for cut rate prices. Neither is good for working musicians or the reputaiton of live music.

I don't mean that as a slam on anyone because I'm not familiar with anyone's music on here. The way to get jobs in the live music industry is going to the venues that are licensed an convincing them you are good enough to attract new. or at least help them maintain their current customers.
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#171410 - 09/03/12 12:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: New Gig [Re: KeithS]
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I don't think you will hear complaints about the current system of licensing venues from musicians who earn a substantial part of their living from playing live music. Most of the complaints that I read or hear about are from folks wanting to break into the business on the cheap. Although I understand the sentiment, I don't think it helps the profession to enable venues to put out product just to see if it works. Someone who wants to cut corners on license fees is also going to want to cut corners on paying the talent. That means either good talent not getting paid a living wage or bad talent that is willing to work for cut rate prices. Neither is good for working musicians or the reputaiton of live music.

I don't mean that as a slam on anyone because I'm not familiar with anyone's music on here. The way to get jobs in the live music industry is going to the venues that are licensed an convincing them you are good enough to attract new. or at least help them maintain their current customers.




Okay, ... this is original. ... I'll ponder it before I respond. I don't wanna jump the gun on this one. Especially since it was triggered off another post where a forum member was trying to raise money for abused animals on a bowling alley gig.

The question I'll have the think about the most is should John be able to sing "Proud Mary" at a bowling alley in order to raise money for abused and neglected animals? Especially with all of the "pins" falling!

That's a tough question.
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