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#183611 - 12/10/12 04:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Pat Marr]
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>>> Right now, the transpose is geared toward instrumentalists who play transposing instruments, but it has always been possible to enter whatever number of pitches is needed.

Correct. With the next version (next build, don't know when that will be out), I've added additional menus to the Visual Tranpose button, to make it easy to select these transpositions by "Capo". Also by "Tuning Down (to low Eb)" - that way if the guitar is tuned down to Eb, he can still see chords and notation like E, but the music gets transposed to Eb.
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#183612 - 12/10/12 04:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: PeterGannon]
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Cool.

I'm not a guitarist, but don't many of them play in DADGAD or similar, tuning the low E string to D? In other words, wouldn't they want you do D as well as Eb?
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#183613 - 12/10/12 04:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Matt Finley]
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Yes, you can "tune down" from 1 to 8 semitones. Although there are other ways to do this, this also sets (internally) a "GuitarCapo" variable, and there might be other things to do with that in the future (such as making the guitar fretboard avoid notes that are lower than the capo for example.
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#183614 - 12/10/12 05:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: FB]
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Last night I was playing with a 'just for fun' group of friends. We had banjo, fiddle, guitars and ukulele. All were beginner level except for me. The guitars used capos. I used a capo on my banjo fr a different reason (as explained above.) The others did not use capos.

My friends were not particularly interested in learning the ins and outs of transposing. They don't really have a strong grasp of what it means to be in the "key of c" or why that is different fronm the "key of G." Mostly they are thinking of one chord at a time.

They just want to have fun.

Thinking about what they would need, I visualize a graphic of a guitar neck. Perhaps the existing guitar-neck animation window could be adapted. There would be a bar across the strings representing the capo. The user could slide the bar up and down with the mouse and see the shape of a C chord move with it. A window labeled "original chord" and "new chord" mght show "C" and "Eb" respectively when the bar gets to the 3d fret. Another window would show "original key" and "new key." Then the new chords would show on the chord sheet, but the key would not change. Perhaps the new chords could have a little subscript '3' or something.

Over time this would be a learning tool. The user would gradualy gain a sense of what transposition is all about.
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#183615 - 12/10/12 05:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: flatfoot]
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>>>>....I'm not a guitarist, but don't many of them play in DADGAD or similar, tuning the low E string to D? In other words, wouldn't they want you do D as well as Eb?...>>>

DADGAD is an alternate tuning. Not the same as capoing. The isea is that the open strings sound different from fretted strings. The first such alternate is DGDGBD. This makes a G major chord on the open strings. It has a very nice resonant, full sound. Banjos and steel guitars use tunings of this kind, but the reason and the usage are a bit more sophistcated than just changing key.

The guitar animation already has options for a number of these alternate tunings. If you can get your hands on a guitar, try them out. Its a lot of fun. Kinda like playing on the black keys.
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#183616 - 12/10/12 05:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: PeterGannon]
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>>> Right now, the transpose is geared toward instrumentalists who play transposing instruments, but it has always been possible to enter whatever number of pitches is needed.

Correct. With the next version (next build, don't know when that will be out), I've added additional menus to the Visual Tranpose button, to make it easy to select these transpositions by "Capo". Also by "Tuning Down (to low Eb)" - that way if the guitar is tuned down to Eb, he can still see chords and notation like E, but the music gets transposed to Eb.




This sounds very interesting Peter! Will it be song-specific so the setting is stored with the song or will it change every song as it does now?

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#183617 - 12/10/12 05:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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I would vote for global instead of song-specific, or else I can see myself getting very confused. I have instruments in six different tunings. It's easiest to always reference concert pitch and adjust from there.

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#183618 - 12/10/12 06:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Matt Finley]
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Global settings for a "capo" doesn't sound like a user friendly approach. It should be on a song by song basis.
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#183619 - 12/10/12 06:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Kemmrich]
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I agree with Kevin. If this would be intended to function like a capo the only thing that makes sense is song by song. But maybe there are two features here?

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#183620 - 12/10/12 06:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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on a song by song basis, couldn't a person...

1) transpose, get it the way he wants it,
2) then freeze all the tracks
3) then set transpose back to zero
4) and finally put the chords wherever you want them

As long as you don't regenerate, this should make the occasional capo song show the chords you want without changing all other songs (which would be problematic if you were using JUKE box on a gig)


If I were using Juke box on a gig, I would probably have "special " songs frozen anyway.

anyway, we could do this now, without any program changes

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#183621 - 12/10/12 07:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Pat Marr]
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The trick is to look at the yellow caution message reminding you a global transposition is in effect. If you want this to be saved song by song, then be sure to complete the Memo field.
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#183622 - 12/12/12 05:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: jcland]
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Hello,
I'm still confused. I know the effect of capo on guitar.
But, first, I don't remember how to find the correct key for this piece of music starting from the guitar chords. If someone would give me a little lesson about that it will help me for the beginning.
The second point is that I would like to keep the chords with capo on the second fret for the guitar track. Because, if I play a D with capo on 2nd fret, counting -2, it is a C but it doesn't sounds the same!
How to say to BIAB that I don't want the "classical" C chord for that track only but an other?
Thanks for your help.
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#183623 - 12/12/12 07:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: FB]
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Quote:

Hello,
I'm still confused. I know the effect of capo on guitar.
But, first, I don't remember how to find the correct key for this piece of music starting from the guitar chords. If someone would give me a little lesson about that it will help me for the beginning.
The second point is that I would like to keep the chords with capo on the second fret for the guitar track. Because, if I play a D with capo on 2nd fret, counting -2, it is a C but it doesn't sounds the same!
How to say to BIAB that I don't want the "classical" C chord for that track only but an other?
Thanks for your help.
FB




if your capo is on the 2nd fret, and the 1st position chord you are playing would normally be a "D" without the capo, then you are actually playing an E chord because the capo raises the pitch of what you're playing 2 frets (a whole step)

The number you enter in OPT>PREFERENCES>DISPLAY>TRANSPOSE (-2) is basically saying that the chord sheet will show the chords 2 frets lower than the actual key of the song. If you move the CAPO UP this number goes DOWN by the same value.

Hope that explanation answers the question you wanted answered. If not, keep asking. We're patient.

PS: The actual key of the song has more to do with the sharps and flats that are required for the melody than it has to do with the chords...but as a general rule, the last chord in the song often indicates the key of the song.

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#183624 - 12/12/12 10:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Entering guitar chords with capo [Re: Pat Marr]
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if your capo is on the 2nd fret, and the 1st position chord you are playing would normally be a "D" without the capo, then you are actually playing an E chord because the capo raises the pitch of what you're playing 2 frets (a whole step)

The number you enter in OPT>PREFERENCES>DISPLAY>TRANSPOSE (-2) is basically saying that the chord sheet will show the chords 2 frets lower than the actual key of the song. If you move the CAPO UP this number goes DOWN by the same value.






FB, the key words in Pat’s explanation is “the actual key of the song”. Using the D fingering with the capo on the second fret example if you want to hear that E chord but want to see a D chord on the chord sheet you must input the song in the concert pitch chords or as Pat said the actual chords you are hearing. Then you can use the –2 transposition option to see the D chord but hear the E chord.

Good luck
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