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#239052 - 02/07/14 09:38 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Mixer as an interface
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Anyone using a good mixer as an interface ?

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#239055 - 02/07/14 10:14 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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What kind of interface? The question seems a little vague.
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#239083 - 02/08/14 07:46 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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I am looking at getting a mixer to use as a DAW controller and also as a mixer for playing live. I see some USB mixers listed, but not sure if they can be used to control something like Reaper or RB. In other words, can they control the mixer settings in the DAW?

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#239084 - 02/08/14 07:55 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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What you seek to integrate the mixer with the DAW is called a Control Surface.

I have one, the Tascam FW-1884, that is a control surface, mixer and digital audio interface all in one. I can't recommend it to anyone now because they discontinued drivers and it runs on FireWire, but it is a terrific unit with SONAR. A current one for about $1,000 is the Mackie Control.
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#239089 - 02/08/14 08:42 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Hey Marty, thanks for providing the additional information. I don't use a control surface myself but I did dig up a good review of them from Sound on Sound that's about a year old. Hope this helps.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov12/articles/spotlight-1112.htm
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#239094 - 02/08/14 09:26 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Be aware that there are issues with a few in that article: discontinued units or no further driver support. This is becoming more of a challenge with Windows 8.1 and each new OS.

There is another approach as well, using an iPad to control your DAW. I do this with V-Control Pro to control my PC remotely from the 'studio' down the hall in my house. I prefer this to many of the hardware-only solutions. The iPad apps are likely the reason many of the hardware-only units are being phased out. The Frontier Design Tranzport was the first to go.
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#239107 - 02/08/14 10:13 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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I use a Phonic mixer that has Firewire and it would work 100% but there appears to be a bug in Real Band that we are investigating. It will work up to 8 channels but when I add more it causes an error that says "Could not gave wave in header". Yet after closing the 48 (exactly 48 - the number of available tracks in RB's DAW) error boxes all the channels work. Driver support is there though I doubt they will write new drivers if there is ever the need. They don't make this particular board any longer. Later revisions are available but not this one. I would check them out because it seems you are looking for a board that has both live use (as an analog mixer) and studio use (as a control surface).

Google Phonic mixers.

Anything with a Firewire or USB connection should do. On true control surfaces like the Behringer I use, you won't have audio outs. The Phonic has mains, monitors, and effects buses.
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#239169 - 02/08/14 05:46 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Thanks guys. Mac, I like the idea of an ipad remote control, but what are you plugged into?

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#239171 - 02/08/14 05:49 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Another possibility is the Zoom R8, R16 and R24. They are self-contained recorders but can also act as an interface and DAW controller --$300-500, depending on model.

I've never used one but have read about them -- John

http://www.sweetwater.com/c1008--Digital...NDk2NzI3MCJdfX0

http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/r16/spec/

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#239172 - 02/08/14 05:55 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Originally Posted By: marty c
Thanks guys. Mac, I like the idea of an ipad remote control, but what are you plugged into?

Assuming that question is for me, not Mac; it is a multi-step process:

You download an app for the iPad. There are several but after trying three I settled on V-Control Pro. It's expensive at $50, but not when compared to the price of a hardware device. There is a limited free version you can use to try all this out.

Then you download the free program for your PC. You run that program and it sets your PC into a sort of listening mode via your home WiFi.

Then you select the remote program as the driver for the Control Surface settings in your DAW. After that, the iPad can be used to do anything that the DAW can do. Rotary controls are difficult, but everything else works great.

There are pretty clear instructions for doing all this, plus an excellently supported forum in the case of Neyrinck, makers of V-Control.

In the case of my preferred program, V-Control Pro, there is also a mode by which you can control the PC remotely, so you could even load the DAW program remotely or do anything else with any other programs on the PC.

Does that help?


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#239185 - 02/08/14 06:46 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Thanks and sorry Matt. What is your mic, instrument, etc. plugged into? If your PC is in another room and you use this as a remote, I am curious how your recorded signal gets to the PC.

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#239192 - 02/08/14 07:42 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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I record wind instruments only.

100' mic cable with XLR from my preamp
100' speaker cables
100' headphone cable to monitor signal

Tascam FW-1884 acting as audio interface, mixer and control surface.
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#239195 - 02/08/14 07:53 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Thank you Matt. I understand clearly.

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#239216 - 02/08/14 11:59 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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I use a zoom R16 and it works great, it hooks into the computer using usb and I can switch it from controller to a SD card drive which I can transfer files to and from it. It is also a 16 track multitrack recorder that is about the size of a computer keyboard. I use cubase and I can record directly into cubase with it or I can turn on the power to the 16 and record directly into it. I love mine! The zoom 24 has a built in drum machine which the 16 does not. I believe it runs about $100 higher than the 16, they did not offer the 24 when I got mine but my son had one; it also has a built in drum machine, the drums sound great. I have recorded live using only the 16 and it is great. Hope this helps!


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#239232 - 02/09/14 08:27 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Mixer as an interface [Re: marty c]
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Thanks PG Fantastic. I have a Yamaha AV1600, which is similar but a lot heavier and more complicated. I never thought of giving it a try until I saw your reply. If this unit fits my purpose, I can see the zoom r16 being a new addition. Seems much less complicated and more compact.

I want to use this also as a mixer for live use. If I figure correctly, I can record my sound check and play it back while I walk around the room; therefore getting the mix to my liking and save it? Just me (acoustic and vocals), one other guy (also acoustic and vocals) and maybe a cajon that will be looped. I will also crate some backing tracks in RB to play along with. If I move them to the r16, is it easy to recall songs. Me and my counterpart would use channels 1-5 and maybe have some bass, drums and keys/synth in 6-8. Is this possible?

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