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#239928 - 02/15/14 06:28 AM [Off-Topic] the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\
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I thought our many songwriters and musicians would be interested in this article. Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/busine...yalty-plan.html

I've always been amazed at how hard it is for musicians and songwriters, who produce one of the most consumed products daily on the planet, have such a struggle making money off of their consumed products.

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#240027 - 02/15/14 04:45 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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IMO, semantics aside, Pandora is still "radio" and should be treated as such based on audience size and pay accordingly like every other station - broadcasting chain does.

Interesting article Joe. Thanks for posting.


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#240033 - 02/15/14 05:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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Hi, Joe !:))


It was a very interesting article indeed !:))
I have to say that I have an understanding
for both sides in this neverending story !:))
There will always be a consuming as well as
a producing part, and it is likely that there
will be more opinions on this issue than there
are composers out there ?


Cheers
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Edited by dani48 (02/15/14 05:19 PM)

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#240039 - 02/15/14 06:05 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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There is more than just two differing groups here, the composers and consumers representing the two with the least clout.

3) Corporate Recording Company Weasels


Which extends right from the top on down to include the retail and discount record merchants.


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#240047 - 02/15/14 08:29 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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A previous coworker once explained to me how much of the business world is about controlling and supplying the inventory - you buy up all the resources or rights to an item, and prevent others from owning or buying it without paying you.

When vinyl records were the only game in town, consumers had no choice but to buy from the record companies that produced them, and artists could not afford to cut their own vinyl so they could reach a wide distribution venue.

Now, if you think about health care, are the insurance companies playing a much different role than the record companies did ? They control the entire supply chain, and make money by forcing themselves as the go-between between producers (doctors) and consumers (patients).

In fact - thought of in this way - every industry is quite similar.

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#240056 - 02/15/14 10:51 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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OK self, put down the keyboard and step away from this thread.
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#240059 - 02/15/14 11:52 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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Originally Posted By: Joe V
Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money.



The only way to keep most of the money generated by the sale of whatever you create is to bypass as many of the middlemen as possible.

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#240075 - 02/16/14 06:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Larry Kehl]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Kehl
OK self, put down the keyboard and step away from this thread.





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#240089 - 02/16/14 09:42 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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That's a rog, Larry, let's just stay up above in loose deuce...


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#240097 - 02/16/14 10:19 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow.
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#240099 - 02/16/14 10:38 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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Who you gonna believe, Ian, the assumptions of the people, or yer own lyin' eyes?


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#240105 - 02/16/14 11:03 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Mac]
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Originally Posted By: Mac
Who you gonna believe, Ian, the assumptions of the people, or yer own lyin' eyes?
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Didn't the Eagles write something about that? grin
Reading it again, it seems that its the Writers who get short changed by the system.
Maybe to supliment their meagre incomes, they're the ones driving the Stars" limos. crazy grin
Question is - why do they sell their soul? Divide $538.79 by 33,000,000. Would you work for that?
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#240121 - 02/16/14 12:57 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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All of journalism exists for the purpose of agenda.

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#240125 - 02/16/14 01:02 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Mac]
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Originally Posted By: Mac
All of journalism exists for the purpose of agenda.

A text, taken out of context, is a pretext.


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#240216 - 02/17/14 12:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: sixchannel]
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Originally Posted By: sixchannel
I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow.
Ian

a few folks in my state hit the lottery every year...and they appear on the news, sometimes dripping in bling, driving expensive cars, etc. I don't buy lottery tickets because of that.

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#240276 - 02/17/14 09:22 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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The stats reveal that the greater majority of big lottery winners end up in worse shape than before their big win, many end up in jail, quite a few end up dead.

Which is kind of like the music star situation, actually...


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#240318 - 02/17/14 11:34 AM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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The big money in the music business isn't in the music. It's in the endorsements and merchandising.

Writers have traditionally gotten the dirty end of the stick from the beginning..... after all, most folks think that all you did was spend a few hours at most, writing a few words, and putting a melody to it.... how hard can that be, and should it justify hundreds of thousands of dollars or more in compensation?
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#240334 - 02/17/14 01:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.

There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.


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#240335 - 02/17/14 01:21 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Mac]
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What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.

There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.


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My 2 favorites are Burt Bacharach, and that guy who wrote the songs for "The Partridge Family" - I stil listen to them.

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#240361 - 02/17/14 03:03 PM [Off-Topic] Re: the latest lawsuits involving the big record companies, digital streamers, singers, songwriters\ [Re: Joe V]
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There's a guy who has been writing useless songs which name-drop famous people in the titles and he publishes the CDs to CDBaby, which gets it into iTunes as well as Spotify. Because of the song titles mentioning the famous folks, he gets lots of plays on Spotify.

Supposedly last year he pulled in $23,000 in play royalties from Spotify. Just wondering when the hammer will drop on him from some of the p.o.'ed famous people from which he is gaining financial gain from simply using their name. http://bdcwire.com/danvers-dude-makes-23k-musically-spamming-on-spotify/

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