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#251510 - 05/28/14 10:54 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Pat -

I am quite pleased that you came by for a listen and a comment... for 2 reasons... you are always so perceptive... and you are "to blame" for this...

I was working on the 1st version of this when you started the "songwriting" discussion - which led to discussions about "the current trends" in Country music.

I never really finished that first version (never intended to post it).
I was never satisfied with the sound of the acoustic guitars in it...
As the "current sound" discussion progressed, I decided to switch gears... How would this be done by "the producer" as opposed to how would this be done as a "songwriter's demo". Since almost everything gets that "big" thing applied these days, I went down that path...

And that often happens. If you happen to hear the writer do their version at the Bluebird, it is often a very different song than what ended up on the radio...

And... in fact, I wrote this in "one of those moments" that you describe...

"...the kind of introspective thoughts that one normally ponders when things are quiet.. maybe late in the day when a little tired mournfulness creeps into the thought processes."

It started looking back on something very specific that I "would have done different if I could do it all again". And it had that "pensive, mournful" attitude to it. I turned it into a "lost love" song, because, in the end, everything has to be about love....

So... Thanks! for all of that!... I enjoyed the journey (and I may just try out the idea of writing a new lyric to the bigger production...)

floyd
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#251678 - 05/28/14 06:35 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Hey Floyd.

After all that's been said, do you really need me to wade in at the end? Well, you got it anyway!

Generally great, as usual. Listened to both versions and definitely came down on the side of those who preferred the full backing. Everything about the production and performance is polished and professional, as are all your tracks these days and the lyrics are excellent.

So why only "generally" great? One or two people picked up on the solo - Gregg and Herb I think - and that's the only aspect which I thought was suspect. For me, it wasn't so much the reverb, or the guitar sound, as the phrasing. Whilst I've become a great fan of RTs recently, I think one has to be very careful that solos, particularly guitar, don't have phrasing which sounds unnatural for the instrument. In this case I found it hard to imagine anyone playing that solo. It still had the feel of several solos spliced together to fit the chords and some of the transitions appeared a bit uneasy.

It's rare for me to find anything to criticise in your tracks, so I hope you'll forgive me this time!

Still waiting for the Rock Ballad!

ROG.

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#251682 - 05/28/14 06:40 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Floyd,

I think that's considerably better... maybe a little delay (250-300ms) would help as well.

My summer yard-work business is in full swing, so that cuts my songwriting and my BIAB time way back. frown However...I'll be back in full force come Fall/Winter time. grin

I'll be checking in periodically just to see what ya all been doing. wink

Take Care,

Greg

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#251737 - 05/29/14 12:12 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
Pat Marr Offline
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Rog said: Whilst I've become a great fan of RTs recently, I think one has to be very careful that solos, particularly guitar, don't have phrasing which sounds unnatural for the instrument. In this case I found it hard to imagine anyone playing that solo. It still had the feel of several solos spliced together to fit the chords and some of the transitions appeared a bit uneasy.


well, since you weighed in with exactly the opposite opinion as I did, a slight rebuttal seems in order.

I agree that the guitar passage Floyd assembled is not "standard fare"... but that's exactly what I like about it. I've been listening to a couple of bands whose guitar players somehow manage to avoid the standard guitar cliches and play something that fits, yet is different... and it is in that context that I said it sounded like something a guitar player would play... maybe not MOST guitar players.. but I can easily imagine a real guitar player playing that passage.

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#251742 - 05/29/14 12:22 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Floyd,

I hope you already know how much I enjoy all of your songs.. you have it all, everything I could ever aspire to is already firmly in your possession and polished beyond anything I could ever hope to achieve.

But even more than the music itself, I love to hear your thoughts behind the choices you make with each new song.

I can't wait to hear whatever lyrics you appropriate to the upbeat song... I have a feeling that I'll need a chin pad to keep it from getting bruised when it hits the floor

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#251754 - 05/29/14 03:47 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Hey Pat.

It was only an opinion, an alternative view if you wish and was in no way intended as a challenge to your own opinion. It would be a dull world if we all shared the same one. No offence intended.

ROG.

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#251808 - 05/29/14 12:21 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: ROG]
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Originally Posted By: ROG
Hey Pat.

It was only an opinion, an alternative view if you wish and was in no way intended as a challenge to your own opinion. It would be a dull world if we all shared the same one. No offence intended.

ROG.


no offense taken! wink

Rog, you are one of my favorite people on the forum... I didn't take your observations as anything but a differing point of view.. and certainly not as a challenge... BUT...

when I see a diametrically opposing point of view from somebody whose opinion I respect and whose opinions usually line up with mine, it does cause me to step back and reconsider my reasoning.

My followup post was probably just an exercise in insecurity on my part. If that's the dumbest thing I do today, then life is good! Thanks for all the goodwill and musical wisdom you bring to this forum! Please never change!


(sorry for hijacking your thread Floyd... now we resume with the regularly scheduled programming...)

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#251839 - 05/29/14 02:30 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Greg - thanks for the 2nd look - and the delay setting - it's not something that I am familiar with (an acoustic guy...) so that gives me a place to start...

ROG and Pat - I am enjoying this discussion, too (ROG - no need to ever apologize for a critique - I welcome them - and I will let you know if I disagree... and hopefully you can handle that - seems there are those who can't!!!)

There was no obvious choice for the lead part to this - and so, it was a case of "building one" - also adding some Guitar Rig to what BIAB gave me, trying to get it to sit in there... often, what happens in these cases is ... at first I'm not sure if it works - and I keep tweaking and tweaking and... eventually, I think I become accustom to hearing it and it seems "okay"... it becomes familiar through multiple listens... so I guess it could always be debated if "that guy played the right thing"... you know, one of those endless college dorm room debates...or barroom debates...

It could be labeled "innovation" smile

I will continue to try to smooth it out....

Thanks, guys!
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#251880 - 05/29/14 07:39 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Things we like:

- Stellar lead vocal
- Harmony vocals
- arrangement (BOTH of them!)
- Lyric - particularly what the chorus says
- RT choice
- The "it can all be heard and sits perfectly" mix

Things we would change:
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#252244 - 06/01/14 08:57 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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Ok, A LOT of great advice has already been given. I just have a few simple comments.

I really like this song all the way around! It's simple, which I think helps you to relate right away. From writing to lyrics, you just "get it". Don't confuse my use of "simple" as meaning not well crafted. To me, simple is often the hardest thing to do! (I think I may use that as a lyric...thanks for the inspiration!)

Now the part I am the MOST impressed with is, there is a timeless quality about this song. That you can strip it down or add to it shows the base of it is right. I could see this recorded as either classic country, or fit just as well with a current artist. Again this speaks to a well craft simple song!

Thank you so much for sharing this! It's was really great to hear!
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#252284 - 06/01/14 07:06 PM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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hi Floyd jane excellent job well done mixed is fantastic vocal all spot on thanks eric

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#252524 - 06/03/14 10:45 AM [User Showcase] Re: The Wire [Re: floyd jane]
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J&B - thanks, guys! I like your lists!


HearToLearn - appreciate that. Let us hear that song when you finish!


eric - thanks for stopping by....
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