Eager to try I started with RealTracks 206. With all 7 styles channel 5 is supposed to have the string quartet, or the violin or the viola. But there's nothing there, no sound, while the rest can be heard. I've checked other styles and they are good, but with RT 206 I get no strings.Am I doing something wrong?
I just typed in a few chords. 12 bars with part markers every 4 bars in case strings only sound on a or b parts (can't remember if that's the right term when you change it from a to b to nothing etc).
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First, unless you have gone in and changed which instruments play on which channels "Strings" is on the default of channel 6, not 5.
Second channels are for MIDI instruments, we are talking about REAL TRACKS not MIDI Instruments so immaterial which channel.
All that aside, I've loaded the RT 206 demo songs (each of them) and they all have Strings playing for me (they LOAD into the 5th position "Strings" in the BIAB MIXER but they are RT's not MIDI instruments.)
Larry
Edited update:
Info only - All 5 RT 206's do have/allow associated RealChart's so if/when you go into Real Band with a RT 206 set (e.g., you create a song with RT's from set 206 either from within BIAB and move it to RB or from within RB itself) it WILL generate a MIDI "mirror" of the RT 206 notes in Real Band, of course you have to tell RB this in preferences:
Options -> Preferences - > 7-Song Generation
last check box "When generating RealTracks also generate RealChart"
Last edited by Larry Kehl; 12/16/1402:29 PM.
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First, I meant position 5, not channel 5, I haven't changed the channels or anything. Then, I very much did what receder did: new song, existing song, added part markers, solo'ed the strings... but no strings. And this goes for all 7 styles. Weird. I'll put it to support.
Thanks for the suggestions. I have tried that too and it makes no difference. Tried RT207 and that's all working as it should (but it has no strings). Any demo I have tried with strings, violin etc doesn't generate anything on the (string/violin) channel.
EDIT: I also tried RealBand (first time) using the same style and demo song and also got no strings...
Last edited by receder; 12/17/1401:52 AM.
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That's a great graphic. It clearly shows that strings are not being loaded.
On last thing to try, close BIAB and RB and see if it is possible to manually re-install the RT Set 206. I mention this because another user in a different thread (today) was having problems and he manually re-installed the problem set and all was good.
If the above doesn't work, I suggest that you email support@pgmusic.com and send the url of this thread so that they can see the discussion here. There certainly seems to be some kind of problem.
I have just tried the manual re-install of those RealTracks and still no joy. So I have emailed PG Support.
Thanks again for your help.
Next thing to get my head around is configuring Sampletank 3 and sound card/MIDI for use within BIAB. I am usually quite comfortable with this type of thing in DAWs having set up a few over the years (going back to Dr T KCS on the Amiga!).
However, BIAB seems a different beast - you want it to use those lovely RealTrack samples where possible (therefore output to my Boss BR800) but when using MIDI to use ST3's gorgeous samples instead. When I had an initial fiddle with this I ended with lovely sounding MIDI only songs and no sound on RealTrack songs or vice versa. I was probably doing something wrong but I got the impression that these are global settings rather than "per song". Anyway, I digress, that's something for another thread
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@receder: could you tell me a few of the other styles with strings you tried? I'd like to try those too...
Hi bartveld,
I opened StylePicker and filtered on strings. I just selected one at random so can't recall exactly.
Here's a couple I have just found with non-working strings/violin/viola:
_LVLNPOP - using demo song _STRFOLK - ditto
The RealTracks folder does contain appropriate looking samples for the relevant RealTracks (the wma files play back ok in media player) but there seems to be a disconnect somewhere in BB.
Rec
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I could be wrong... but this sounds very much like a problem that we've talked about before... with no indication of a resolution (that began occurring in the 2014 version).
Once you've loaded one of those demos, go to the mixer and check the plugins tab. Double-click the strings plugin setting to bring up the dialog. I don't think you need to do anything, but you might set it to "none". Then go back to the song and see if the RT plays...
Thanks Floyd. I tried that out using _STRFOLK with its demo song.
I still didn't get any sound. Then I went to the assign realtracks dialog and tried selecting the viola RT above the current one and it generated a RT fine. Let's be clear:
Current RT = 2336 viola, background Pop ev 85 (1trackstringsection) {No sound output from this} Changed to RT = 2510 viola, background Pop ev 120 (1trackstringquartet) {worked fine}
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I keep finding issues with RTs and I have now got the behaviour that floyd mentioned on RT213
Select style _SWPOPST and Load Demo Song (Uses 2370 Strings RT) - no string sound.
Now right click over strings track with plugins tab displayed and you get a VST/DX Synth plugins dialog. Close this and hey presto - you now get strings sound.
BUT
Same RT213
Select _SWSTWLZ and Load Demo Song (Uses 2371 Strings RT) - strings sound fine.
Now Select *=STPOPCT and Load Demo Song, I am getting an error dialog box:
Attenzione
PART 7 INSTRUMENT NOT FOUND
followed by the same for part 6 and part 2.
BUT It plays fine and all the parts sound!?!?
Is this normal behaviour?
I'm beginning to think that I need to test every realtrack, substyle and demo song to check what's working and what isn't!
Last edited by receder; 12/17/1408:52 AM.
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We can't determine what would cause this to happen. Could you perhaps email us the file intrface.bbw from your bb folder? Perhaps we can duplicate it using the same settings as you.
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We can't determine what would cause this to happen. Could you perhaps email us the file intrface.bbw from your bb folder? Perhaps we can duplicate it using the same settings as you.
Thanks Andrew, I will email you the file. Assume I send it to support@pgmusic.com ? I can't help thinking that some kind of checksum/md5 checker would be useful for us downloaders of the many parts that make up the EverythingPak. If you read my other post you will see that I had some issues with at least one file which was corrected by re-downloading it even though both files were identical in size.
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Do you actually have the Hi-Q instruments installed? Check for a folder such as this: C:\Program Files (x86)\IK Multimedia\Instruments\Band-in-a-Box
Hi Andrew,
I installed it with BIAB Pro 2015 so skipped it on the EverythingPAK upgrade. However, funny you should ask as I decided to re-install it this afternoon although it was already in the location you mentioned.
C:\Program Files (x86)\IK Multimedia\Instruments\Band-in-a-Box <- this is cut and paste from my Explorer header
I thought the same as you as "Attenzione" is Italian as are IK Multimedia.
Also if it makes any difference I have full Sampletank 3 installed
Last edited by receder; 12/17/1409:40 AM.
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NO real help on your current issue but I also have ST 3. But note the HI-Q instruments are ST2 based.
Yea you can import HI-Q into ST3 and play them there, but when BIAB sees a HI-Q instrument in one of the tracks BIAB will then instantiate (run) a ST2 DXi to use the HI-Q instruments/sounds: ST3 will have no impact on it one way or other.
While we are here - and this is a FYI only: If/when YOU call up ST2 use the VSTi version NOT the DXi one (which seems to be the default - DXi) .
BIAB calling up the ST2 DXI to use for the HI-Q instruments seems to work fine. However, more than a few users, myself included, especially when using the GM add-on ST2 library Omni Synth 2, have had real BIAB stability (crashes) issues. Side note: over the years I've had more issues with DXi stuff (even outside BIAB) then VSTi stuff.
I had/have the free ST2, I also have and use full Total Workstation (FULL ST2 XL, full AmpliTube, full T-Racks) as well as ST3, (as well as all the other usual suspects full Kontact 5, Dim Pro, Rapture, Jamstix, AD 2, EZdrummer 2, ...)
Larry
Last edited by Larry Kehl; 12/17/1410:11 AM.
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Thanks. We received your file. Can you please test with build 413 and see if you still are having the same problem. If so, tell us the name of the style (and demo song if applicable) that it happens with.
I have emailed a final list of issues after testing all demo songs and styles in RT 206 to 227 on version 413.
The formatting is lost by pasting here but some folks might find it useful...
RT208, 209, 211, 214, 215, 216, 218, 219, 221, 222, 223, 224 All ok
RT206 No string tracks generated: violin[2337] string quartet [2334 & 2335] viola[2336 & 2338] All demo songs load without error
RT207 _ELPJHSS and _JHRNSSS - Load Demo Song - Message - Not Found
RT210 ^_BOOGL01 gives error loading first demo from the two that popup (demo2 is ok) Attenzione PART 2: Instrument not found but seems to play ok.
^_BOOGL02 is OK.
RT212 *_KOTOCLD gives error loading demo - Attenzione PART 7: Instrument not found but seems to play ok.
*_NASHAKU gives error loading demo - Attenzione PART 6 & PART 7: Instrument not found but seems to play ok.
RT213 ^_CELAIRP gives error loading demo - Attenzione PART 7: Instrument not found but seems to play ok. N.B. this uses a string track which works but it's MIDI using SampleTank rather than a RT.
^_CTWLZGP gives error loading demo - Attenzione PART 2: Instrument not found but seems to play ok.
Note: The following styles with RT strings play fine _SWPOPST strings RT 2370 _SWSTWLZ strings RT 2371
^=STPOPCT gives error loading demo - Attenzione PART 6 and PART 2: Instrument not found but seems to play ok and uses strings RT 2369.
RT217 _JWALTZS - Load Demo Song - Message - Not Found
RT220 _SJAZCSP - Load Demo Song - Message - Not Found
RT225 _FLKSWAG - Load Demo Song - Message - Not Found
RT227 _CBALDBR - Load Demo Song - Message - Not Found
Rec
Last edited by receder; 12/18/1412:21 AM.
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1. The SampleTank 'instrument not found' messages that you are getting when loading some demo songs are spurious, and a result of the method we used to make the demo songs. We'll address that so it can't happen. However the error does seem to indicate that some Hi-Q instruments wouldn't work on your system for some reason. To test it you would right click on a MIDI track --> Select Hi-Q MIDI Synth patch. To start with, check C:\Program Files (x86)\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 2.5\Preferences\ST2Pref.txt and see what the instrument path is. 1. is there a Band-in-a-Box folder in that path? 2. Assuming there is, look in the Band-in-a-Box folder for the file synth\FatBassSynth PG.stip. What is the date modified on that file?
2. There are a few styles without demo songs. We'll likely be adding those with the next patch.
3. I do not know why some Strings RealTracks are not playing for you. (e.g. No string tracks generated: violin[2337])
Can you please - - Open the style ZZJAZZ.STY. - Add RT #2337 to the Strings track and generate it. Does it play?
Sorry this is a bit long but at least one issue may be resolved. Here are my results:
1. I selected at random =CATA_BS.STY which has a MIDI piano. I replaced this with Hi-Q 001 01 Piano, Acoustic, Grand Sampletank.tgs. I get “PART 3 : INSTRUMENT NOT FOUND” (solved later – read on) and the track display says Hi-Q etc but stays yellow (don’t Hi-Q instruments have a different colour?). It doesn’t sound Hi-Q so I assume it’s the standard MIDI piano sound. I checked the ST2Pref file and it says
InstrumentPath=E:\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 2.5\
The BIAB folder is at E:\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 2.5\Band-in-a-Box
The reason it’s not on C by the way is that I have been using ST2 for ages with a few existing ST2 modules and I moved its large samples to my E drive so it didn’t use up space on my SSD. I assume the BIAB Hi-Q installer installed the BIAB instruments to my C drive as there was a folder C:\Program Files (x86)\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 2.5\Instruments\Band-in-a-Box so I copied this folder manually to the ST folder on the E drive so that I didn’t have to move my existing libraries. However, since installing the BIAB upgrade and patches I haven’t recopied the folder which is possibly the cause of one of the problems…
The modified date for FattBassSynth PG.stip on my E drive is 20 November 2013, 16:24:34 compared to the one at C:\Program Files (x86)\IK Multimedia\SampleTank 2.5\Instruments\Band-in-a-Box which is 26 June 2014, 11:45:40.
So I have now copied the folder with the latest BIAB Hi-Q instruments from C to E and have stopped getting the “instrument not found” error. I have also re-tested RT 206 to 227 and they no longer give these errors either.
2. Ok
3. I get no string track generated same as bartveld. If I substitute RT 2370 I do get a string track.
In the light of 1. and the fact that I now have a larger SSD maybe it's time to move my ST2 libraries back to C. In fact I was hoping to import them into ST3 which is on C anyway. Can the BIAB Hi-Q samples also be imported into ST3 as that would make things a lot neater as I would only need ST3 instead of ST2 and ST3? Although I guess any HI-Q updates would still go to a different location and need re-importing.
Last edited by receder; 12/18/1412:28 PM.
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Thanks, that's starting to make some sense, regarding the ST messages. We can probably think of a way to prevent that from happening in the future. At the moment the program is 'hard-coded' to use ST2 for HiQ, but yes in the longer term we'll probably get it working for ST3.
The Strings problem is perplexing. Do the WMA's play for you, in the bb\RealTracks\Violin, Background, PopHigh Ev 085 (1TrackStringSection) folder?
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