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#276727 - 12/27/14 09:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I really can't see why downloading or sharing a MGU version of Autum Leaves can be so bad.

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#276753 - 12/27/14 12:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: Cerio]
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You probably don't rely on royalties with your income.

(I agree that a lot of royalties paid are sensless, like the ones for Happy Birthday. But many still receive those who are entitled to them.)
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#276754 - 12/27/14 12:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: Cerio]
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Originally Posted By: Cerio
Maybe I'm wrong, but I really can't see why downloading or sharing a MGU version of Autum Leaves can be so bad.




You would be depriving Paul McCartney of much needed income.....

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#276757 - 12/27/14 01:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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OMG, not another one of these threads, eek What is it about the first rule of fight club we don't understand? crazy

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#276769 - 12/27/14 02:54 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: GHinCH]
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Originally Posted By: GHinCH
You probably don't rely on royalties with your income.

(I agree that a lot of royalties paid are sensless, like the ones for Happy Birthday. But many still receive those who are entitled to them.)


We are speaking about MIDI melodies of songs written (in many cases) more than 60 years ago, used mostly for practicing at home.

Maybe it's illegal, but IMO it's definitely not immoral.

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#276782 - 12/27/14 03:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: MusicStudent]
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"Fight Club" was a fictional novel. This is not "Fight Club." Have a nice day.
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#276810 - 12/27/14 07:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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I do not agree with many of the laws, copyright laws among them. But I am not going to talk about breaking copyright laws here.

On these fora, we are the guests of the PG Music company. They publish products, and their success depends on people paying for what they produce. That is reason enough for me not to discuss the availability of products for which copying would be a violation of copyright law. This is PG territory, and I dont want to violate their welcome.


Edited by flatfoot (12/27/14 07:55 PM)
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#276811 - 12/27/14 08:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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IMO, This is exactly why people use Biab to begin with. To create music using backing tracks that can and will play like the original artist.

Biab will also allow us to play these songs in different styles. To me, that is the beauty of Biab. Playing a song the way I want it to sound.

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Edited by Muzic Trax (12/27/14 08:38 PM)

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#276812 - 12/27/14 09:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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Actually BiaB, and Bob Norton's materials are the type of products that are what is called in the "style off" they sound similar too, are like but are not originals. There are some .MGU files of pubic domain stuff. Also there are .MGU files made by users. But as stated above we need to respect the property of others, and the price ledges of the folks that support this place.

Funny thing to me is when someone say regarding whether something in illegal "it does not bother my conscience"

These are just my thoughts and not condemning anyone. But what is right or wrong is just that, right or
wrong. A conscience is like a muscle, it needs work to be strong to guide us. Hhhmmm interesting conversation.
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#276830 - 12/28/14 04:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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There is a phrase called the "letter of the law" vs. the spirit. I have paid for BIAB (and EVERY upgrade) since 1.0 and have never given away a copy to a "needy" friend. I have been asked hundreds of times.

On the other hand, I have often seen frantic requests for leads sheets of obscure tunes where there is likely no commercial source of the sheet music, and little likelihood of its ever seeing print. Will I give that to a fellow musician? Probably.

I have already PAID for legal copies of several fake books, usually TWICE (once in Eb and once in Bb.) Do I, or should I feel guilty about downloading a concert version without paying a THIRD time?

If I PLAY that tune in a venue that is ALREADY paying ASCAP and BMI for the right to have it performed, is THAT fair?

The intent of Copyright was to protect the Intellectual Property of the author/composer and his or her heirs. If the heirs do not care enough to renew the copyright after fifty years such that it gets swooped up by a multi-millionaire, do I feel "unethical" depriving that corporation of $.000002 of income?

There is such as thing as blindly following laws which do not make sense (http://www.dumblaws.com) There are plenty in each state. I have the utmost respect for PG Music and I don't think it violates a trust to have a DISCUSSION on a forum hosted by them on a topic germane to their products. As far as I know, Canada upholds the rights of free speech in the same manner as the U.S.


Edited by PhillyJazz (12/28/14 04:43 AM)
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#276867 - 12/28/14 07:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: PhillyJazz]
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Originally Posted By: PhillyJazz
T I have the utmost respect for PG Music and I don't think it violates a trust to have a DISCUSSION on a forum hosted by them on a topic germane to their products. As far as I know, Canada upholds the rights of free speech in the same manner as the U.S.


I agree. We can talk about copyright laws and the breaking of them we just can not post any copyrighted music.

I practice my guitar and wind controller using BiaB, a Fakebook and a Notes Norton Fakebook disc. I play the melody once, jam the second chorus then play the melody one last time. I would love to post these but I do not want to get PGMusic in trouble. I'll bet many of us do the same, especially jazz musicians.

PS - just don't tell the music cops that I play covers that my dogs, wife and kids can hear, I can't afford the royalties grin
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#276882 - 12/28/14 09:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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Not to argue PJazz, but so a "millionaire" buys the rights of a tune, his ownership of that property is of less value than anyone else property? I Illustrate, a small time poor farmer owns 100 acres of land and works hard to feed his family from that land, passes it on to his children, and many years later they have lost interest in working that farm, they walk away and a major farming corporation "snatches" it up in a tax sale, is it right to steal the produce from that farm just because the original owner no longer has ownership of it? Is not that corporation afforded the right to protection by the law for the investment in that property?

i agree with you that downloading a copy of a product like sheet music that you already own seems fair. Also if you play a tune in ASCAP or BMI, then the royalties are being legally paid. The intent of copyright law may have been to protect the composer, but that law has been extended or modified to include the owner of those rights and allows the sale or purchase of said rights, just like the sale or purchase of the above mentioned real estate property.

Because a law does not make sense to us does not make it less of a law. sure there are "dumb laws" but copyright infringement is no where near something like "It is illegal to wear a fake mustache that causes laughter in church." or "You may not fish on a camel’s back." I have downloaded may of the free midi files that include melodies, but i don't keep the melodies in tact, as i don't want the melodies to play behind the track bed. I use them because i can make a decent cover, most of which i add and subtract tracks to make them some what unique. I also do not play them for the public, or sell recordings of them i enjoy them at home. if I were to play them out at a venue i would either join BMI and pay the royalty fees or play at a venue that already does.

As far as the respect for PG goes i think common sense dictates that it is fine to have a discussion about these things, but the line may be drawn somewhere around posting copyright protected material, or posting the same materials on their forums.

and hey Mario if they arrest you for playing copyright protected songs for your wife and dog then we may end up being cell mates, hope we get a file in our cake and we make a run for the border like lefty and poncho!
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#276897 - 12/28/14 10:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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My argument, if you read it, was NOT that it is any more or less ethical to steal from corporations than individual composers or their families, but that the original legal intent of copyright was to protect the intellectual property of same. I just believe that when a copyright expires, and is not renewed by the survivors, that the work should immediately enter Public Domain and not become a commodity to be bought and sold by someone who had no stake in the authorship. I also believe there are few families who inherit farms that would allow them to be sold at a tax auction rather than sell the land for SOME financial gain,

Granted, my opinion does not make the current law any less valid, but it DOES affect my ethical sense in terms of whom (and to what extent) I harm should I decide to ignore the law.

Additionally, it would apparently be legal for me to TRANSCRIBE the melodies and enter them in by hand. I have in fact, done so on many occasions, and as good as it is for my ear, at this point it comes down to a matter of convenience and time. It is just a matter of time before polyphonic transcription of audio matures.


Edited by PhillyJazz (12/28/14 01:11 PM)
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#276991 - 12/29/14 07:37 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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I agree the copyright law needs updating, but we are a country of laws. But if everyone ignores all the laws they don't agree with, what will we have? Anarchy? Is that better?

We have the power to change the laws, but as long as we elect people who get nominated with corporate money, we are going to be ruled by those corporations.

Whether you follow the laws depends on either your personal ethics (or lack of ethics), the probability of getting caught and/or the penalty paid if caught.

My business has been audited by BMI twice and I haven't had to change a thing. Obviously the money I paid for legal advice was worth it. So whatever you purchase from Norton Music has passed two BMI legality tests.

(BTW, I'm over 50 and never owned a copy of the illegal Real Book - so now you know one)

My own personal ethics in the music business follows: I'm a professional musician who makes his living doing music and nothing but music. I depend on people paying for my services to make a living. I also believe in "do unto others" so I abide by the copyright laws.

I know that the money I pay is not distributed fairly and the big corporations get the lion's share of the money, but I don't want anyone giving away my hard work, so I don't steal or give away the hard work of others.

But I am not the conscience of the world, those are my personal ethics. I don't even know if it's the smartest thing to do. It just seems right to me. YMMV.

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#277009 - 12/29/14 09:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Jazz Fake books with Melodies ( not just chords ) for BIAB [Re: georgewa]
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That is my point exactly! We each get to chose what we feel is ethical. But because we are not bothered by it, does not change the legality, and morality of it. Still what one person does is not my concern, and in the long run affects me very little. Just chose to abide by the laws to the best of my ability.

Like i said above i do have a collection of cover song midi files. I have never used them except for my personal enjoyment at home, or to play at a venue that is legally licensed for cover work, like Street Jelly and i always abide by turning in a set list at the end of any show. Mostly I chose to strip them down and re-work them to be unique. I almost always strip the melodies out, and use the basic backing tracks for track beds to add RTs, or personally played tracks to.

free will is a big responsibility i guess. Peace to all and have a great day. Make music!
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