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A while back, Guenter used some samples from NewYorkBrass on a song. I had the same samples (they are a free download - link at bottom), but figured I'd never find a use for them. Guenter knows what he is doing. I don't. (We just all like having as many toys as possible - especially free ones). David Cuny may have been who mentioned them in a thread about horns... The BIAB horn sections are great for background stuff. But the "rockin' stabs" are hard to get. It would be a GREAT addition to BIAB if it could be done, but I would think it would be quite difficult. I think there may be no choice but to create them "piece-by-piece". That is what I've done for this. I may never do that again, but it was just what I needed to have this song work the way I've always wanted it to. This is also the most complex BIAB file I have ever written. There are pushes all over the place. We had some discussion in the BIAB forum about pushes - and could they be configurable - to allow movement forward or back for feel... I did that in my DAW - just slightly - moving them to where the "feel" was right for me... sometimes slightly forward, sometimes slightly back, but a lot of them are where BIAB put them... (there are several odd-beat measures, too...) SHADOW OF A MAN it's not likely she'll ask you to stay for the night she likes waking up alone but it's still early so turn out the light and hold the moment when she'll be your own when she'll be at home in your heart... in your heart.... (chorus) but she doesn't want to be somebody's lady she doesn't want to be tied down doesn't want to be somebody's lady she likes this night life she likes this town likes the woman that she's found she's found herself found herself to be alive and free after being lost so long in the shadow of a man it takes that hearbreak sometimes before you find you never needed what you thought held your whole world he held her down, ran around made her believe she'd never make it without her man without his strong hand to hold her heart... hold her heart... repeat chorus first names, bar games laughter in the night that comes so easy and leaves no promises at all maybe i'll call maybe, maybe i'll call repeat chorus The BAND: Style is _PWPOWER.STY (Praise&WorshipGuit&Piano[120RS]) RealTracks in song: 1569:Bass, Electric, Soul60sA-B Ev 110 RealTracks in style: 1523:Bass, Electric, PopPowerA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in song: ~~389:Bass, Electric, Metal Ev 165 RealTracks in song: 692:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120 (A:sync) RealTracks in song: 1007:Piano, Acoustic, Solo-Accompaniment, PopFlowing Ev 120 RealTracks in style: 1529:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopPowerBrightA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in style: 1526:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopPowerPushA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in song: 1000:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm HardRockLAFuzzyHeld Ev 120 RealTracks in song: 661:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasRockCrisp Ev 120 (A:simple) RealTracks in song: 671:Organ, B3, Background Southern Ev 120 RealDrums in Song: CountryPopEv16^01-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat RealDrums in style: PraiseWorshipPowerPush^1-a:Qck, b:PHt Brass By www.NewYorkBrass.com (arrangement by me) http://www.newyorkbrass.com/download-free-brass-samples.html Hey, Guenter... they are having a remix competition.... Harmonies by the janettes (That's Janice Merritt and me...) Tom - thanks for the ear. Loud is good. Loud in headphones will give you the real horns experience.. Have at it! floyd
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Good grief!!! I originally came on here to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again.  I think I'll throw it away instead!!!  How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian
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Excellent tune Floyd. Loved the story in the lyrics.
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Hi Floyd.
Bit of a change in direction for you, I think, but it certainly works for me. I can tell a lot of work went into this and I must say it was worth it.
Obviously, I love the brass, but you really have to respect that bass player, too!
Great song, great vocals, great production, arrangement and mix.
I, for one, would love to hear you do some more like this.
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Hi Floyd,
you know exactly what you are doing!
And here you did a lot. After reading your
description I was surprised how it started. And
after going on listening I was even more surprised
how it developed. And that arrangement fit the lyrics!
A masterly production. Like Ian said a real opus.
Great use of the brass and the different basses.
I love the Janettes! And what awesome mix. I'm listening with my Stax headphones and it's a revelation.
I'm still listening without counting the listens.
Guenter
P.S. Thanks a lot for the hint to the remix contest. I'm going to give it a try.
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Good grief!!! I came on her to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again. I think I'll throw it away instead!!! How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian LOL. Thanks, Ian! Good to see ya 'round here... hope you get that BIAB squared away... Excellent tune Floyd. Loved the story in the lyrics. Appreciate that, Scott...
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Wow! Monster complex production. Extremely good . Sounds almost orchestral rock opera in places. Cheers.
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Pretty Amazing production. I thought I was listening to the King. So he is alive. Wow!
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WOW!!! Opus is certainly the word for this! Pretty mind-blowing arrangement. The music is really complex too. It reminds me of Todd Rundgren in the sense that just when you think you know where it's going, there's another turn. Lyrics are really cool-paint just the right picture. This is just over the top in so many ways. Awesome accomplishment Floyd!! You are a master! Take care. Greg
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Floyd
A huge production - that does not typically sound like Band In A Box.
Excellent use of brass - great arrangement.
Vocal - both lead - and backing vocals which gave it a sort of big 60's feel (that 60's soul bass contributing to the feel)
Really interesting song structure and quite a showcase for what can be done.
Overall an excellent song.
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Hi Floyd.
Bit of a change in direction for you, I think, but it certainly works for me. I can tell a lot of work went into this and I must say it was worth it.
Obviously, I love the brass, but you really have to respect that bass player, too!
Great song, great vocals, great production, arrangement and mix.
I, for one, would love to hear you do some more like this.
ROG.
HA! I've got many directions... That bass player was 3 different players... they did just what I asked them to do... isn't BIAB the GREATEST band???!!!! The program allows you to explore so many avenues.... it is the holy grail...
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Wow Floyd and Janice! Now this is definitely something else. This could almost be part of a musical  . The vocals: Floyd, we never heard you sing this high pitched before! Janice: very rhythmic and tight backing. The music: These brass samples definitely dominate the song in a good way. RTs very well chosen. Altogether a totally different kind of song, but very good! About the free samples: in my case (serious RSI) not really usable, unless somebody creates a Kontakt shell, or Sampletank mapping. Anyone???? Rob
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Quite a production Floyd! I am sure this didn't happen overnight. Those kind of horns are the ones that I wanted BIAB to provide but maybe like you said it would be too difficult. Very nice piece...from start to finish. I keep reading that this is different for you, but I personally like for people to branch out away from their comfort zone. Variety is the spice of life for me (well with the exception of most Rap). Enjoyed!
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Wow FJ, You sound marvelous! Love that vocal. And the horns sound so real! Opus indeed - what a complex arrangement and production. Great job on the harmonies with Janice too. I felt like I was listening to the finale of a show in Vegas. Kudos for all the obvious work that went into this one. Color me amazed...
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Hey Floyd,
Just home from 11 days in the hospital after prep and then surgery. Not feeling real good but thought listening to the great talent here on BIAB User's Forum might brighten my mood. Wow, did it ever!
Something totally different from you... at least from what I've previously heard. I can tell how much work when into this...more than a lot! Your attention to detail shines through.
You said you don't know what you're doing. I'd like to protest that statement! I would classify this as Symphonic Rock. I thought of Blood Sweat and Tears as I listened.
Everything about this is par excellence. Wonderful piece of music performed to perfection. Wow, still taking it all in!
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Floyd, You're starting to scare us with your endless talent!
How good is that song? What an absolutely remarkable arrangement.
You provided a Full, rich, driving, top class delivery.
And Janice's contribution is superb. No surprise there either.
No doubt a big effort. This is Way up there.
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floyd, As sixchannel said that is astounding! your voice, the tune, the brass, the janettes, the everything The only thing that was normal was the mix. Altho' by normal I mean it was up to your usual extremely high standards. I have tried using those brass samples but got absolutely nowhere but I did use some of the vocal asides!! and noises  I understand and fully appreciate, from listening to the song, how much effort went into the final product. I can't even see the bar you have just re-set as it is so high now. and you berated me for the number of RTs I used in Train Surfer.  excellent, absolutely excellent Alyn
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Well now, a little Chicago, and BS&T, holy crap!!!!! Now that is a tune, a great composition and layered out perfectly, another great tune from the master, FJ!!!!!!!!!! Now those are the types of horns we need at PG Music, even if midi based, fantastic!!! 
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Unique. Outside the proverbial box. A lot of work in this one – kudos!
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Floyd, I hope you didn't nick your fingers too bad with all the cut and pasting you did on this one.
I love the level of complexity and sophistication you achieved here and I think this is your best out of pocket genre song since "Diamonds" which I also found to be complex and sophisticated in its production.
This song ends the debate of BIAB track's use to create a first class, unique and commercial production.
Enjoyed this from start to finish and looking forward to see you top yourself because I can tell you are enjoying pushing the BIAB limits as well as your own imagination. You are taking us on quite a journey and it's really a fun ride.
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floyd, This is a strong write that tells a story that is not often heard in song form. The lyrics are great but the real star here is the arrangement and production. Quite a feat of engineering. I have listened to this many times and never fail to be amazed. This is without a doubt the most ambitious and complex piece to ever hit this forum. Every accolade and every standing O you receive here is well deserved. You continue to inspire all of us with your mastery of the software. Much care and many hours went into this. The horns sound amazing. As Charlie so aptly said"This song ends the debate of BIAB track's use to create a first class, unique and commercial production. " Thanks for pushing so far and showing us all what Biab is capable of. Tom
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floyd,
...absolutely wonderful songwriting, arranging, performing and mixing.
There are so many intriguing writing and arranging musical twists turns that I was left mesmerised... captured by the music. I can only begin to imagine the amount of time and effort that has gone into getting such an incredibly polished sounding production. I don't think that any single song has ever showcased so many of your musical capabilities in one location as this song. This is a remarkable work on so many levels.
I'm pretty sure I just heard the forum bar ratchet up at least a dozen more notches!
All the best,
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Yep. It's loud, all right. That's a pumping and thumping rollercoaster ride you've got there. I'm impressed. Minor nits: The mix seems overly compressed, with the midrange a bit lacking. Not nits: Holy freaking toledo. Once that train starts rolling, it just keeps chugging along without a misstep. It's organic and musical, and the occasional odd time signatures work really well. A huge amount of work, I'm sure, but it pays off 1000%. Wow.
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I'm in Nashville - typing on a phone so will be short... Hi Floyd,
you know exactly what you are doing!
And here you did a lot. After reading your
description I was surprised how it started. And
after going on listening I was even more surprised
how it developed. And that arrangement fit the lyrics!
A masterly production. Like Ian said a real opus.
Great use of the brass and the different basses.
I love the Janettes! And what awesome mix. I'm listening with my Stax headphones and it's a revelation.
I'm still listening without counting the listens.
Guenter
P.S. Thanks a lot for the hint to the remix contest. I'm going to give it a try.
Guenter - so pleased that this works for you... a bit outside my usual...thanks for the nice review....
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Wow! Monster complex production. Extremely good . Sounds almost orchestral rock opera in places. Cheers. Thanks Richard Pretty Amazing production. I thought I was listening to the King. So he is alive. Wow! Thanks david
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That's a huge project right there. I kept thinking of Tom Jones as I was listening.
Fairly unique chord progressions there too. I liked that aspect of the song. The Minor to major change was interesting. Took a few listens for it to sink in and grow on me.
There's some others above, who referred to this as a train moving along. Yes, there's alot of power and momentum and energy in this once it gets moving. There's one place where it drops for a second and that's the one place where it really needs to be powerful.
You have a break in there at 3:42. The break is absolutely the perfect thing to have there and it's the perfect place for it. However.....On the word "doesn't" the music really needs to hit hard. It doesn't. Right before that... as it leads up to the stop.... the kick is running hard like Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run.... Come back in with that same energy and groove. That's a really tiny nit.... but IMHO I think, an important detail. I hear a snare smack on 4 with the band coming in on 1.... hard and wide open and running hard like they went out on 1. pull the tails down too (quickly) after 1 so the silence behind the vocal track is dramatic. If you're gonna use silence, use it right and make it count.
Great production, and very little else in the song to complain about. Like I said it's just a nit, but I'd do some touch up work on that silence break and make it really big.
just my opinion and 2 cents worth.
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It has been cool to read the responses to this song. When floyd invited Janice in on the harmony we were knocked out by the production. Janice was both excited to be invited to participate and somewhat intimidated by the lead vocal -- both the range and the phrasing. But the little ole bluegrass girl did fine...in my hugely biased opinion!
As she was working up the part I had quite a few listens...and my thoughts then are all mirrored by the above comments and in particular Tom's remark that the star here is the arrangement and the production.
I'm gonna drag out the old war horse that I rarely call upon:
AWESOME!!
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WOW!!! Opus is certainly the word for this! Pretty mind-blowing arrangement. The music is really complex too. It reminds me of Todd Rundgren in the sense that just when you think you know where it's going, there's another turn. Lyrics are really cool-paint just the right picture. This is just over the top in so many ways. Awesome accomplishment Floyd!! You are a master! Take care. Greg Greg appreciate that...Todd...ha... I'm out of town...will have a go at your new one when I return
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Well now, a little Chicago, and BS&T, holy crap!!!!! Now that is a tune, a great composition and layered out perfectly, another great tune from the master, FJ!!!!!!!!!! Now those are the types of horns we need at PG Music, even if midi based, fantastic!!! +1 Even when you stop out of your comfort zone you nail it! Super song-super mix!
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I've wondered this, so I will finally ask...(looks around)...are you from the future? Is this where BIAB will someday be? There is clearly NO other explanation!
Feel free to drop the mic and walk off the stage now.
That was astounding!
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Floyd
A huge production - that does not typically sound like Band In A Box.
Excellent use of brass - great arrangement.
Vocal - both lead - and backing vocals which gave it a sort of big 60's feel (that 60's soul bass contributing to the feel)
Really interesting song structure and quite a showcase for what can be done.
Overall an excellent song.
Thanks Peter
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Good grief!!! I originally came on here to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again. I think I'll throw it away instead!!! How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian Yep. What Ian said. Talk about a testimonial for BiaB. Sounds like a live performance with a full orchestra and a choir of backup singers, all under the direction of a maestro. What a powerful vocal, Floyd! Wow!!!!!
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Wow Floyd and Janice! Now this is definitely something else. This could almost be part of a musical . The vocals: Floyd, we never heard you sing this high pitched before! Janice: very rhythmic and tight backing. The music: These brass samples definitely dominate the song in a good way. RTs very well chosen. Altogether a totally different kind of song, but very good! About the free samples: in my case (serious RSI) not really usable, unless somebody creates a Kontakt shell, or Sampletank mapping. Anyone???? Rob Thanks, Rob.... The brass samples are tedious to work with... for every couple of seconds, I had to walk through them to find the "moment" that I wanted to use.... sometimes that was 50 samples in... then you have to get it to the right key... But the end result was worth it - and it is sort of fun... it's music...
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Quite a production Floyd! I am sure this didn't happen overnight. Those kind of horns are the ones that I wanted BIAB to provide but maybe like you said it would be too difficult. Very nice piece...from start to finish. I keep reading that this is different for you, but I personally like for people to branch out away from their comfort zone. Variety is the spice of life for me (well with the exception of most Rap). Enjoyed!
Sonny Thanks, Sonny. If you look back the 80 or so songs that I've posted, there is a good deal of variety, I think... it's the singer's fault - he always sounds the same... Wow FJ, You sound marvelous! Love that vocal. And the horns sound so real! Opus indeed - what a complex arrangement and production. Great job on the harmonies with Janice too. I felt like I was listening to the finale of a show in Vegas. Kudos for all the obvious work that went into this one. Color me amazed... Thanks, Josie. Appreciate that. (the horns are real, actually). Just a Vegas-kind-a-guy, ya know...
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very interesting and ambitious project... and you pulled it off! I'm always won over by horns when they're well done (and these are)
But above and beyond the horns, I thought the chord progression and arrangement were both very unique.
The high energy stage show feel isn't something I've ever heard from you, (but I'm pretty sure I haven't listened to all of your songs... maybe you've done it while I was off doing other things and not paying attention to the forum)
You generally go for a pretty clean composition, but this was quite busy. In the hands of a lesser composer that much activity would almost certainly get tiring.. and in the hands of a lesser mixing engineer, it would probably be muddy too... the fact that your project avoids both of those problems is a real testimony (once again) to your wide range of skills.
Good luck following yourself on this one. ;-) If this were indeed taken from a stage show, it would probably be the last song, the grand finale that leaves the audience's jaws on the floor, and after which nobody else wants to perform.
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Hey Floyd,
Just home from 11 days in the hospital after prep and then surgery. Not feeling real good but thought listening to the great talent here on BIAB User's Forum might brighten my mood. Wow, did it ever!
Something totally different from you... at least from what I've previously heard. I can tell how much work when into this...more than a lot! Your attention to detail shines through.
You said you don't know what you're doing. I'd like to protest that statement! I would classify this as Symphonic Rock. I thought of Blood Sweat and Tears as I listened.
Everything about this is par excellence. Wonderful piece of music performed to perfection. Wow, still taking it all in!
Alan Hi, Alan! I was thinking about you guys a few days ago... hoping you are doing well... Thanks for the listen and the nice comments... Hope we will see you around more... get strong and well... Floyd, You're starting to scare us with your endless talent!
How good is that song? What an absolutely remarkable arrangement.
You provided a Full, rich, driving, top class delivery.
And Janice's contribution is superb. No surprise there either.
No doubt a big effort. This is Way up there.
Trev
Thanks, Trevor... I certainly enjoyed reading that!... Well now, a little Chicago, and BS&T, holy crap!!!!! Now that is a tune, a great composition and layered out perfectly, another great tune from the master, FJ!!!!!!!!!! Now those are the types of horns we need at PG Music, even if midi based, fantastic!!! Thanks, Steve... always good to have you drop in... that was the type of thing I was after, Chicago, BS&T... Boz Skaggs... something that makes you "feel" those horns...
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floyd, As sixchannel said that is astounding! your voice, the tune, the brass, the janettes, the everything The only thing that was normal was the mix. Altho' by normal I mean it was up to your usual extremely high standards. I have tried using those brass samples but got absolutely nowhere but I did use some of the vocal asides!! and noises I understand and fully appreciate, from listening to the song, how much effort went into the final product. I can't even see the bar you have just re-set as it is so high now. and you berated me for the number of RTs I used in Train Surfer. excellent, absolutely excellent Alyn Hi, Alyn! - I just noticed that I skipped over your comments... that was not intentional... (I wonder how many times I've done that without realizing it...). We should keep a running count of who has used the most RTs in a song - I think you are winning at this point... Using the brass samples is both tedious and fun. It has to be done a few notes at a time - searching through all the available mp3s (85 of them). I was lucky that most of them were in the same key as my song... I only had to bump a few notes to the right spot... Thanks for the nice review...
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Unique. Outside the proverbial box. A lot of work in this one – kudos!
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Bob Thanks, Bob. (I think) - I know this is a bit too busy (chaotic?) for some... (my wife doesn't like listening to it...) Floyd, I hope you didn't nick your fingers too bad with all the cut and pasting you did on this one.
I love the level of complexity and sophistication you achieved here and I think this is your best out of pocket genre song since "Diamonds" which I also found to be complex and sophisticated in its production.
This song ends the debate of BIAB track's use to create a first class, unique and commercial production.
Enjoyed this from start to finish and looking forward to see you top yourself because I can tell you are enjoying pushing the BIAB limits as well as your own imagination. You are taking us on quite a journey and it's really a fun ride. I do appreciate all that, Charlie... Personally, I think that debate has been answered many times over - in this forum - Tom's productions are studio quality... Bud's productions sound like a top-tier group of musicians caught live on their best day... Guenter is simply astounding... it is also surprising the level of writing in a community this size - Tom, Bob, Greg, Lawrence (where has he gone?) to name a few... Isn't it about time you posted another???
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"Thanks, Bob. (I think) - I know this is a bit too busy (chaotic?) for some... (my wife doesn't like listening to it...)"
That was not a left-handed compliment. I like "out of the box" music.
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Nice song and voice as usual
Great Jeanice on background.
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"Thanks, Bob. (I think) - I know this is a bit too busy (chaotic?) for some... (my wife doesn't like listening to it...)"
That was not a left-handed compliment. I like "out of the box" music.
Regards,
Bob LOL. Appreciate that, Mr. Burke... floyd, This is a strong write that tells a story that is not often heard in song form. The lyrics are great but the real star here is the arrangement and production. Quite a feat of engineering. I have listened to this many times and never fail to be amazed. This is without a doubt the most ambitious and complex piece to ever hit this forum. Every accolade and every standing O you receive here is well deserved. You continue to inspire all of us with your mastery of the software. Much care and many hours went into this. The horns sound amazing. As Charlie so aptly said"This song ends the debate of BIAB track's use to create a first class, unique and commercial production. " Thanks for pushing so far and showing us all what Biab is capable of. Tom
Tom - thanks for such a very nice review. If I can catch YOUR imagination with 'arrangement and production' then I can ask little more....
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floyd,
...absolutely wonderful songwriting, arranging, performing and mixing.
There are so many intriguing writing and arranging musical twists turns that I was left mesmerised... captured by the music. I can only begin to imagine the amount of time and effort that has gone into getting such an incredibly polished sounding production. I don't think that any single song has ever showcased so many of your musical capabilities in one location as this song. This is a remarkable work on so many levels.
I'm pretty sure I just heard the forum bar ratchet up at least a dozen more notches!
All the best,
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Yep. It's loud, all right. That's a pumping and thumping rollercoaster ride you've got there. I'm impressed. Minor nits: The mix seems overly compressed, with the midrange a bit lacking. Not nits: Holy freaking toledo. Once that train starts rolling, it just keeps chugging along without a misstep. It's organic and musical, and the occasional odd time signatures work really well. A huge amount of work, I'm sure, but it pays off 1000%. Wow. Thank you, David... Glad that you dropped in on this one - was really curios what your thought would be... Not sure where "overly compressed" might come from. I use very little compression in a mix. The drums get a Multiband, the basses get a bit to give them some punch. I don't use any on the guitars. None on the horns or piano. The organ has some - and a distortion to give it bite. I do roll off the low end below 50 on a lot of things. There is a lot going on here (for me, anyway), so I did brighten some things with EQ to leave room in the middle for the vocals. The final mix was run through Ozone5 - same as always - so perhaps that would likely add some... Appreciate your thoughts...
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That's a huge project right there. I kept thinking of Tom Jones as I was listening.
Fairly unique chord progressions there too. I liked that aspect of the song. The Minor to major change was interesting. Took a few listens for it to sink in and grow on me.
There's some others above, who referred to this as a train moving along. Yes, there's alot of power and momentum and energy in this once it gets moving. There's one place where it drops for a second and that's the one place where it really needs to be powerful.
You have a break in there at 3:42. The break is absolutely the perfect thing to have there and it's the perfect place for it. However.....On the word "doesn't" the music really needs to hit hard. It doesn't. Right before that... as it leads up to the stop.... the kick is running hard like Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run.... Come back in with that same energy and groove. That's a really tiny nit.... but IMHO I think, an important detail. I hear a snare smack on 4 with the band coming in on 1.... hard and wide open and running hard like they went out on 1. pull the tails down too (quickly) after 1 so the silence behind the vocal track is dramatic. If you're gonna use silence, use it right and make it count.
Great production, and very little else in the song to complain about. Like I said it's just a nit, but I'd do some touch up work on that silence break and make it really big.
just my opinion and 2 cents worth.
GREAT JOB!!!
Thanks for the comments, Herb. Appreciate the thought. I prefer a more organic stop at that point and a bit of a breather from the born-to-run train in order to re-state the premise of the lyric - as opposed to be just about the music hitting hard. Pacing. Perhaps you can do something like you are describing in your next production for comparison. It has been cool to read the responses to this song. When floyd invited Janice in on the harmony we were knocked out by the production. Janice was both excited to be invited to participate and somewhat intimidated by the lead vocal -- both the range and the phrasing. But the little ole bluegrass girl did fine...in my hugely biased opinion!
As she was working up the part I had quite a few listens...and my thoughts then are all mirrored by the above comments and in particular Tom's remark that the star here is the arrangement and the production.
I'm gonna drag out the old war horse that I rarely call upon:
AWESOME!!
Bud
Thanks, Bud - for the comments and your help with the janettes from that end... Janice - Thank You! ... always... Well now, a little Chicago, and BS&T, holy crap!!!!! Now that is a tune, a great composition and layered out perfectly, another great tune from the master, FJ!!!!!!!!!! Now those are the types of horns we need at PG Music, even if midi based, fantastic!!! +1 Even when you stop out of your comfort zone you nail it! Super song-super mix! Appreciate that, Mario....
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hi Floyd wow huge project excellent work all been said thanks for sharing eric love the horns
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I've wondered this, so I will finally ask...(looks around)...are you from the future? Is this where BIAB will someday be? There is clearly NO other explanation!
Feel free to drop the mic and walk off the stage now.
That was astounding! HA! One of my favorite reviews! Thanks, Caaron... Good grief!!! I originally came on here to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again. I think I'll throw it away instead!!! How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian Yep. What Ian said. Talk about a testimonial for BiaB. Sounds like a live performance with a full orchestra and a choir of backup singers, all under the direction of a maestro. What a powerful vocal, Floyd! Wow!!!!! Really appreciate that, Scott... very interesting and ambitious project... and you pulled it off! I'm always won over by horns when they're well done (and these are)
But above and beyond the horns, I thought the chord progression and arrangement were both very unique.
The high energy stage show feel isn't something I've ever heard from you, (but I'm pretty sure I haven't listened to all of your songs... maybe you've done it while I was off doing other things and not paying attention to the forum)
You generally go for a pretty clean composition, but this was quite busy. In the hands of a lesser composer that much activity would almost certainly get tiring.. and in the hands of a lesser mixing engineer, it would probably be muddy too... the fact that your project avoids both of those problems is a real testimony (once again) to your wide range of skills.
Good luck following yourself on this one. ;-) If this were indeed taken from a stage show, it would probably be the last song, the grand finale that leaves the audience's jaws on the floor, and after which nobody else wants to perform. Hi, Pat! So good to see you around these parts! Always enjoy reading your thoughts on a song - thanks for the lovely "review"... this was a very different song for me in so many ways... in fact, so different that after I wrote this, I quit writing for many years... so it was something I couldn't follow... (but I've gotten over that!)
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Nice song and voice as usual
Great Jeanice on background.
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Thanks for the listen, Sergio. She is tops! hi Floyd wow huge project excellent work all been said thanks for sharing eric love the horns Appreciate you dropping in, eric...
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Great song. Brings back memories of listening to seventies radio.
Outstanding.
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Wow! I have been out of pocket for several weeks, and come back to this! As you know, I am a big fan of your music. This is the most unique song I have heard you do. And I mean unique in a good way. Very bold production. (I have the same horns, and really like them!) Pretty much all has been said. Great job!
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this was a very different song for me in so many ways... in fact, so different that after I wrote this, I quit writing for many years... so it was something I couldn't follow... (but I've gotten over that!)
I'm glad you got over it, because your presence here on this forum has been nothing short of transformational. Not only is your music an inspiration to the rest of us, but wayyy more than that, your encouragement of others and your inclusive approach to building a team of friends has really made this forum much better than it ever would have been without you. Thanks for all that.
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